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So to be fair, let's look at the most recent 4 years. Leach was 4-0 versus Stanford. His conference record was 23-13, while Shaw's was 22-14. So Shaw had a "Leach problem," but since the season is more than one game, I don't think Leach's system--including all phases of the game--was/is light years better overall than Shaw.

One note about Leach is that going 22-14 at WSU is probably a more impressive accomplishment than going 23-13 at Stanford.  WSU's all-time record is 556-560-45 (under .500), while Stanford's all-time record is 657-467-49 (.581), and while we have challenges getting recruits admitted, Washington State has a lot of challenges getting players to go there.

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So to be fair, let's look at the most recent 4 years. Leach was 4-0 versus Stanford. His conference record was 23-13, while Shaw's was 22-14. So Shaw had a "Leach problem," but since the season is more than one game, I don't think Leach's system--including all phases of the game--was/is light years better overall than Shaw.

One note about Leach is that going 22-14 at WSU is probably a more impressive accomplishment than going 23-13 at Stanford.  WSU's all-time record is 556-560-45 (under .500), while Stanford's all-time record is 657-467-49 (.581), and while we have challenges getting recruits admitted, Washington State has a lot of challenges getting players to go there.

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