10-08-2020, 10:17 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2020, 10:29 PM by Genuine Realist.)
(10-08-2020, 08:54 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:Of course not, unless they're on the other side ideologically, in which it's perfectly all right to hope they are afflicted with some dreadful disease.(10-08-2020, 08:35 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote:Embarassing(10-08-2020, 07:32 PM)Griffins78 Wrote: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/stat...40320?s=21Trump's usual abysmal timing and tactlessness.
Militia Members Plotted To Kidnap Michigan Gov. Whitmer, FBI Says
But he's likely right...
It’s sad this has to be said, but no disagreements or perceived mistakes by a democratically elected leader justify violence or assassination. Ever. There should be no sympathizing with or justifying these statements.
Also, condemnation of the illegal acts does not mean Whitmer's conduct in office is suddenly immune from criticism. Her regime has been arbitrary and extremely high handed. No one should be planning murder or kidnap. Being the target of such crimes does not suddenly transform her into a good governor.
(10-08-2020, 10:12 PM)fullmetal Wrote: What a slavish libertarian idealist article.
Quote:But freedoms, once relinquished, are not easily reacquired. State and federal legislators have spent decades divesting themselves of their authority. Perhaps its time they started taking it back.
What, you think legislatures have ever functioned effectively during a crisis to deal with all the situations that an executive handles? In the same paragraph, the author notes:
Quote:Legislative lethargy is a force multiplier in a crisis, compounding a natural disaster by adding a civic dimension to it.
Also:
Quote:He added that it is precisely in times of profound urgency that challenges to American liberties arise, but an emergency does not justify the abrogation of constitutional due process rights.
Nothing about these rights are due process rights, if I'm read the article correctly. Does this author not know what words he's using?
Also noted in the article: the emergency powers act that Whitmer used was *on the books.* It was a law in good standing up until the state supreme court ruled against it with a 5-4 partisan split. Why fault the governor for relying on a law that was in perfectly good standing until the court decided it wasn't constitutional?
Wisconsin is feeling the effects of rapid spread again. I wonder if that's due, at least in part, to this:
Quote:As early as May, the Wisconsin Supreme Court determined that Gov. Tony Evers’s restrictions on travel, the operation of nonessential businesses, and even movement outside the home infringed upon basic American civil liberties.
"bUt MaH fReEdOmS!" --the article, basically
Wisconsin feeling the effects of rapid spread again? In October, from an order granted in May? Pretty big causal net.
Like it or not, you have to strike a balance between the basic civil liberties of the society, and response to the pandemic.
BTW, not that Trump ever thought of doing it, but if he had ordered - or tried to order - a national lockdown, the same elements in the media who are now worried about the fantasy that he'll barricade himself in the White House, would have infallibly decried the move as the first step to the creation of a fascist State. Recollections of the Reichstag Fire would have dripped smoothly off the pen.
(10-08-2020, 09:10 PM)82 Card Wrote:Gosh, all the fashionable swear words in one place.(10-08-2020, 08:35 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote: A critical, but eminently sane, discussion of neocon dissertation on her overreach.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-...d-liberty/
Fixed that for ya.
Neocon applied to an issue of domestic policy? Well, once you've got a good catchword . . .
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
