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[quote="M T" pid='293288' dateline='1602619311']
I will point out the issue with paths not taken.   If the sitting President is of the X party, then the candidate for the Y party will always be able to say they'd have done things differently (no doubt), and that whatever negatives there exist would be lessened (debatable).

You would think.  And the opening question of the VP debate, to Harris, was essentially "What would you have done differently?"  It was the perfect opportunity to eviscerate Trump and Pence on their COVID efforts by explaining what Biden and Harris would have done differently. 

But she didn't.

She spent her two minutes castigating Trump and Pence for sure, and it was well deserved.  But other than initiating contact tracing sooner, she literally didn't offer a single thing that Biden/Harris would have done differently, not even "respond earlier."  Very disappointing.

What I see clear as day is not a hypothetical and not a comparison of what happened vs. what might have happened. The President of the United States misled the public about a dangerous pandemic intentionally, and repeatedly, and he is still doing it. He also subverted the credibility of the CDC and FDA intentionally, and repeatedly, and he is still doing it. We can debate hypotheticals and what somebody else did or didn't do all we want.  These are things he did, for which we can hold him responsible. These we can discuss as facts, on public record, most of which we all watched on live TV as it happened.


Yep, I don't think anyone can deny that Trump is a lying scumbag and a little nuts as well. It will cost him re-election.

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[quote="M T" pid='293288' dateline='1602619311']
I will point out the issue with paths not taken.   If the sitting President is of the X party, then the candidate for the Y party will always be able to say they'd have done things differently (no doubt), and that whatever negatives there exist would be lessened (debatable).

You would think.  And the opening question of the VP debate, to Harris, was essentially "What would you have done differently?"  It was the perfect opportunity to eviscerate Trump and Pence on their COVID efforts by explaining what Biden and Harris would have done differently. 

But she didn't.

She spent her two minutes castigating Trump and Pence for sure, and it was well deserved.  But other than initiating contact tracing sooner, she literally didn't offer a single thing that Biden/Harris would have done differently, not even "respond earlier."  Very disappointing.

What I see clear as day is not a hypothetical and not a comparison of what happened vs. what might have happened. The President of the United States misled the public about a dangerous pandemic intentionally, and repeatedly, and he is still doing it. He also subverted the credibility of the CDC and FDA intentionally, and repeatedly, and he is still doing it. We can debate hypotheticals and what somebody else did or didn't do all we want.  These are things he did, for which we can hold him responsible. These we can discuss as facts, on public record, most of which we all watched on live TV as it happened.


Yep, I don't think anyone can deny that Trump is a lying scumbag and a little nuts as well. It will cost him re-election.