[Goose]

They hope the curfews and closures work because the only step left is SIP.   More or less a warning shot to the liberty crowds.   Get behind these measures because you will really hate the next set of SIP mandates if this doesn't work.

The problem I have with all this is that the current thinking (at least that we see on this board) is that "house parties" are the major contributor to the current spread problem. These parties aren't the political statement type. They are you and your kids/grandkids having dinner together. While the "liberty" folks exist, they are not the problem at the moment, at least so it would seem. Certainly in SCC and SMC these folks aren't common. So anything regarding them does not apply. Yet we certainly have our problems here too.

There may be people who die claiming there is no COVID-19. I suspect those people are so few and far between (even in North Dakota) that they couldn't sustain an epidemic on their own. It is the other 99% of the population who simply aren't doing what is required to slow down spread. If it is true that we as a nation have allowed our respect for the law to erode to the point that say 35% of the people would simply ignore legally issued public health directives, we are indeed in serious, serious trouble. If you think such a directive is invalid, challenge it in court. Until it is overturned, obey it. It is not like there is any question of an "immoral action" required.

My personal belief is that the vast majority of the public WILL follow a public health directive if the jurisdiction that issues it shows they mean it by enforcing it. We have far too many laws (let alone public health orders) that are simply not enforced. The public gets the idea that "they don't mean it" and just does what they want. This becomes a (literally) fatal problem if the jurisdiction doesn't have the stomach to actually enforce a public health order.

[Goose]

They hope the curfews and closures work because the only step left is SIP.   More or less a warning shot to the liberty crowds.   Get behind these measures because you will really hate the next set of SIP mandates if this doesn't work.

The problem I have with all this is that the current thinking (at least that we see on this board) is that "house parties" are the major contributor to the current spread problem. These parties aren't the political statement type. They are you and your kids/grandkids having dinner together. While the "liberty" folks exist, they are not the problem at the moment, at least so it would seem. Certainly in SCC and SMC these folks aren't common. So anything regarding them does not apply. Yet we certainly have our problems here too.

There may be people who die claiming there is no COVID-19. I suspect those people are so few and far between (even in North Dakota) that they couldn't sustain an epidemic on their own. It is the other 99% of the population who simply aren't doing what is required to slow down spread. If it is true that we as a nation have allowed our respect for the law to erode to the point that say 35% of the people would simply ignore legally issued public health directives, we are indeed in serious, serious trouble. If you think such a directive is invalid, challenge it in court. Until it is overturned, obey it. It is not like there is any question of an "immoral action" required.

My personal belief is that the vast majority of the public WILL follow a public health directive if the jurisdiction that issues it shows they mean it by enforcing it. We have far too many laws (let alone public health orders) that are simply not enforced. The public gets the idea that "they don't mean it" and just does what they want. This becomes a (literally) fatal problem if the jurisdiction doesn't have the stomach to actually enforce a public health order.