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Wow -- a miracle??  a Miracle??



Only one vaccine has been approved in the US, and that is Pfizer's, and "Pfizer did not accept federal funding to help develop or manufacture the vaccine, unlike front-runners Moderna and AstraZeneca...In an interview on Sunday, Kathrin Jansen, a senior vice president and the head of vaccine research and development at Pfizer, said, “We were never part of the Warp Speed,” adding, “we have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”"  (NYTimes)



So how can Trump be responsible for this "miracle" if the Pfizer vaccine was not part of Warp Speed?

One think that did happen that many would regard as a "miracle" is that the FDA allowed the companies that were developing COVID-19 vaccines to submit their data packages piecemeal instead of as a single submission. This undoubtedly provided a significant speed-up in the time to deliver the EUA, probably two months or even more. That is a "big deal" IMHO. No question Pfizer benefited from this. Should Trump get credit for that? I suspect not, because that is really outside his job description, but it may be the FDA was predisposed to do this by executive influence.

Unlike many, I think the "credit" for the rapid development of the COVID-19 belongs almost entirely to industry. The state of the art had improved to the point faster development was possible. The governments of the world placing orders and paying "down payments" (in effect) to accomplish at-risk manufacturing was certainly useful too. Pfizer knew they were going to sell at least X million doses before they really had anything even close to ready. That makes investing heavily in a product a lot easier to justify. "The vaccine Viagra built."

Moderna and Lonza is a different case. Moderna probably didn't have the money to pay their CM. They probably needed Warp Speed money to have any hope of a scale-up and technology transfer happen.
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THIS IS MY REPLY:

I guess I deleted too slowly.  But as I didn’t; go back and look at what was being said in May. “Miracle” wasn’t my comment.  It was an “expert” on CNN.  The drumbeat at that time was that there was little to no chance of having a vaccine ready by end of year.   And then the comment was - and furthermore we won’t trust it (that was VP elect Harris’s comment.  Paraphrased.).

Snorlax, I wasn’t suggesting then or now that this gives the guy some sort of a pass for all his bad handling messaging etc. Just a thought that maybe, just maybe on this one he got it right by pushing the message forward. Trump was talking about a vaccine being ready by end of year a hell of a long time before anybody else was pushing it hard and getting lambasted for it. Just a campaign ploy..

OK he deserves getting lambasted in general because he lies for breakfast and for a host of other reasons. I certainly get that. But on this one it actually got done. So on that end I think he deserves some credit. That’s all I’m saying.

By the way I deleted the post because right after I posted, Trump came out with his “we’ve just begun to fight” comment after the electoral college voted. And frankly at that stage I didn’t want to say anything even remotely positive. Without violating Terry’s rule (oh what the hell you can violate Terrys rule when it comes to Trump, people do it all the time) what he’s doing now and what those Republicans that are following him are doing is beyond shameful.

[lex24]

te="Snorlax94" pid='301356' dateline='1608029865']

Wow -- a miracle??  a Miracle??



Only one vaccine has been approved in the US, and that is Pfizer's, and "Pfizer did not accept federal funding to help develop or manufacture the vaccine, unlike front-runners Moderna and AstraZeneca...In an interview on Sunday, Kathrin Jansen, a senior vice president and the head of vaccine research and development at Pfizer, said, “We were never part of the Warp Speed,” adding, “we have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”"  (NYTimes)



So how can Trump be responsible for this "miracle" if the Pfizer vaccine was not part of Warp Speed?

One think that did happen that many would regard as a "miracle" is that the FDA allowed the companies that were developing COVID-19 vaccines to submit their data packages piecemeal instead of as a single submission. This undoubtedly provided a significant speed-up in the time to deliver the EUA, probably two months or even more. That is a "big deal" IMHO. No question Pfizer benefited from this. Should Trump get credit for that? I suspect not, because that is really outside his job description, but it may be the FDA was predisposed to do this by executive influence.

Unlike many, I think the "credit" for the rapid development of the COVID-19 belongs almost entirely to industry. The state of the art had improved to the point faster development was possible. The governments of the world placing orders and paying "down payments" (in effect) to accomplish at-risk manufacturing was certainly useful too. Pfizer knew they were going to sell at least X million doses before they really had anything even close to ready. That makes investing heavily in a product a lot easier to justify. "The vaccine Viagra built."

Moderna and Lonza is a different case. Moderna probably didn't have the money to pay their CM. They probably needed Warp Speed money to have any hope of a scale-up and technology transfer happen.
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THIS IS MY REPLY:

I guess I deleted too slowly.  But as I didn’t; go back and look at what was being said in May. “Miracle” wasn’t my comment.  It was an “expert” on CNN.  The drumbeat at that time was that there was little to no chance of having a vaccine ready by end of year.   And then the comment was - and furthermore we won’t trust it (that was VP elect Harris’s comment.  Paraphrased.).

Snorlax, I wasn’t suggesting then or now that this gives the guy some sort of a pass for all his bad handling messaging etc. Just a thought that maybe, just maybe on this one he got it right by pushing the message forward. Trump was talking about a vaccine being ready by end of year a hell of a long time before anybody else was pushing it hard and getting lambasted for it. Just a campaign ploy..

OK he deserves getting lambasted in general because he lies for breakfast and for a host of other reasons. I certainly get that. But on this one it actually got done. So on that end I think he deserves some credit. That’s all I’m saying.

By the way I deleted the post because right after I posted, Trump came out with his “we’ve just begun to fight” comment after the electoral college voted. And frankly at that stage I didn’t want to say anything even remotely positive. Without violating Terry’s rule (oh what the hell you can violate Terrys rule when it comes to Trump, people do it all the time) what he’s doing now and what those Republicans that are following him are doing is beyond shameful.