[BostonCard]

Pardon my political incorrectness, but this comparison and conclusion are both truly retarded. From any non-elitist angle, the sheer number of vulnerable, previously troubled kids that the Saban brings in and grooms to be responsible citizens on and off the field year after year for that particular program renders your verdict on Shaw's superiority on being a community member, university representative, mentor, role model, and least of which, football coach, completely asinine.


You don't have to be the coach for players who are (were) classmates with Robinhood founders to have accomplished, by and large, a consistently outstanding job on those fronts.



Couple your holier-than-thou comment with this year's nauseatingly horrendous class, what an eyesore jesus christ.

Let us not pretend that Saban is engaging in a charity to identify at-risk youth and offer them mentorship and a path to responsibility.  I think Saban  is a good role model, though I follow him less, but any grooming of responsible citizens is incidental to his mission, which is to win football games for Alabama.  

And that is not to say that Shaw is running a charitable organization to rescue at risk kids either.  I do think Shaw is a respected community member, representative, and role model.  But none of that is to take away from Nick Saban, who I think is clearly one of the all-time great college football coaches.  As to all the other aspects, there is the fact that Saban "led" Alabama to sixth place in the inaugural Fulmer cup in 2016

https://www.thefulmercup.com/standings/2016-standings/

To his credit, he doesn't seem to have been in the top-10 after that.  All that said, I think it is reasonable to push back against the premise that started this thread.  Shaw is not Saban, and Stanford is not Alabama (but for all the talk that we are not Nebraska, unlike Nebraska, we will have a winning record this year).  Shaw is also not being asked to do what Saban is asked to do in Nebraska.  I suspect that had Saban had Shaw's record after 10 years (no national titles, no SEC titles since 2015, and *gasp* a year with a losing record) he would have been fired after last year, or at the very least on the proverbial hot seat.  Even our most ardent Shaw critics usually preface their tirades with "I don't want him fired, but..."  On the flip side, I wonder if Saban, with 16 Fulmer points in 2016, would have been retained as Stanford's coach, national title or no.

BC

[BostonCard]

Pardon my political incorrectness, but this comparison and conclusion are both truly retarded. From any non-elitist angle, the sheer number of vulnerable, previously troubled kids that the Saban brings in and grooms to be responsible citizens on and off the field year after year for that particular program renders your verdict on Shaw's superiority on being a community member, university representative, mentor, role model, and least of which, football coach, completely asinine.


You don't have to be the coach for players who are (were) classmates with Robinhood founders to have accomplished, by and large, a consistently outstanding job on those fronts.



Couple your holier-than-thou comment with this year's nauseatingly horrendous class, what an eyesore jesus christ.

Let us not pretend that Saban is engaging in a charity to identify at-risk youth and offer them mentorship and a path to responsibility.  I think Saban  is a good role model, though I follow him less, but any grooming of responsible citizens is incidental to his mission, which is to win football games for Alabama.  

And that is not to say that Shaw is running a charitable organization to rescue at risk kids either.  I do think Shaw is a respected community member, representative, and role model.  But none of that is to take away from Nick Saban, who I think is clearly one of the all-time great college football coaches.  As to all the other aspects, there is the fact that Saban "led" Alabama to sixth place in the inaugural Fulmer cup in 2016

https://www.thefulmercup.com/standings/2016-standings/

To his credit, he doesn't seem to have been in the top-10 after that.  All that said, I think it is reasonable to push back against the premise that started this thread.  Shaw is not Saban, and Stanford is not Alabama (but for all the talk that we are not Nebraska, unlike Nebraska, we will have a winning record this year).  Shaw is also not being asked to do what Saban is asked to do in Nebraska.  I suspect that had Saban had Shaw's record after 10 years (no national titles, no SEC titles since 2015, and *gasp* a year with a losing record) he would have been fired after last year, or at the very least on the proverbial hot seat.  Even our most ardent Shaw critics usually preface their tirades with "I don't want him fired, but..."  On the flip side, I wonder if Saban, with 16 Fulmer points in 2016, would have been retained as Stanford's coach, national title or no.

BC