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yes, back to back par 3s.  the new #3 is a good hole.  stretches to 215 or so, but not as scary as the old #3.  on old #3, the back left pin on the shelf with tees moved left was a really tough hole.  it was not unusual to have 3, 4 or 5 groups on the tee box backed up in a tournament because of water hazard, OB etc.  

old old #4 went up the hill to the right toward the light with #5 tee box also up there.  a good tee shot got you over the embankment in the fairway.  #5 today is almost driveable from the blacks -- not so from the cardinal tees.

#5 today might be driveable by Dustin Johnson but not college players. Many of them hit a hybrid or iron off the tee anyway and leave themselves 100-130 in. And then there are the tournament tees which are up on the hill by where the old old #4 green used to be. Makes the hole longer but straight. I actually think the regular cardinal tees make the hole tougher.

[winflop]

yes, back to back par 3s.  the new #3 is a good hole.  stretches to 215 or so, but not as scary as the old #3.  on old #3, the back left pin on the shelf with tees moved left was a really tough hole.  it was not unusual to have 3, 4 or 5 groups on the tee box backed up in a tournament because of water hazard, OB etc.  

old old #4 went up the hill to the right toward the light with #5 tee box also up there.  a good tee shot got you over the embankment in the fairway.  #5 today is almost driveable from the blacks -- not so from the cardinal tees.

#5 today might be driveable by Dustin Johnson but not college players. Many of them hit a hybrid or iron off the tee anyway and leave themselves 100-130 in. And then there are the tournament tees which are up on the hill by where the old old #4 green used to be. Makes the hole longer but straight. I actually think the regular cardinal tees make the hole tougher.