[lex24]

I read "The other two times it cost multiple games" to be "the other two times that Shaw started West".

You might be right about 2012 (we lost 20-13 at Notre Dame and 17-13 at Washington, both games where QB play sucked).  Then again, right before the Notre Dame game, Nunes posted this line against Arizona: 21/34 (62%), 360 yards (10.6 ypa), 2 TD, 0 INT PER of 170 in a game we won 54-48.  Would Hogan have won that game for us?

Similar situation in the Burns to Chryst transition.  We lost 10-5 against Colorado in a miserable game for Burns, but would Chryst have beaten K State?

BC

Sorry for the confusion.

I meant the other two times Shaw stupidly picked the veteran over the better player. Or was it three other times?

So, you know for a fact that Hogan was ready week one in ‘12. Wow.  Amazing. How?  I’ll answer that.  You have no clue.  But of course, they ran the table once he started. So certainly they would have been undefeated had he only started week one.  Right?  Sure. I mean, how can one prove otherwise.  It’s great to be able to have such clarity…..

Didn't say I did. But what I do know is the guy he picked stunk up the joint, and the guy who replaced him didn't. And the gap was so substantial that it's good enough for me to conclude that Shaw made a stupid decision. And he's now done it three times.

It's a bit off-topic, but I just want to point out that Kevin Hogan never would have considered sliding with two yards to go, at the end of a 12-yard scramble on 3-and-14.  He probably would have dragged that KSU Safety another few yards.  There's a big difference between Hogan's early signs and McKee's. 

That said, Jack West is probably worse than Josh Nunes.  I am 100% all-in on the decision for McKee and hope he crushes it.

I do as well.  But I always find the criticism of the 2012 decision laughable.  Because no one knows if Hogan was ready game one.  Hell, a lot of people wanted Nottingham.  And 2012 was a great coaching job.  Yet some still refuse to credit Shaw. Either, it was JH guys; or, had they gone to Hogan earlier they would have been in NC game. Check out the list of offensive players that graduated in ‘11.  That team was not expected to win the PAC-12.

Shaw deserves the blame he gets for those things he does wrong.  Chief of which, right now, is probably recruiting woes. The talent drop is significant.   But he also deserves credit for what his teams achieved.

[lex24]

I read "The other two times it cost multiple games" to be "the other two times that Shaw started West".

You might be right about 2012 (we lost 20-13 at Notre Dame and 17-13 at Washington, both games where QB play sucked).  Then again, right before the Notre Dame game, Nunes posted this line against Arizona: 21/34 (62%), 360 yards (10.6 ypa), 2 TD, 0 INT PER of 170 in a game we won 54-48.  Would Hogan have won that game for us?

Similar situation in the Burns to Chryst transition.  We lost 10-5 against Colorado in a miserable game for Burns, but would Chryst have beaten K State?

BC

Sorry for the confusion.

I meant the other two times Shaw stupidly picked the veteran over the better player. Or was it three other times?

So, you know for a fact that Hogan was ready week one in ‘12. Wow.  Amazing. How?  I’ll answer that.  You have no clue.  But of course, they ran the table once he started. So certainly they would have been undefeated had he only started week one.  Right?  Sure. I mean, how can one prove otherwise.  It’s great to be able to have such clarity…..

Didn't say I did. But what I do know is the guy he picked stunk up the joint, and the guy who replaced him didn't. And the gap was so substantial that it's good enough for me to conclude that Shaw made a stupid decision. And he's now done it three times.

It's a bit off-topic, but I just want to point out that Kevin Hogan never would have considered sliding with two yards to go, at the end of a 12-yard scramble on 3-and-14.  He probably would have dragged that KSU Safety another few yards.  There's a big difference between Hogan's early signs and McKee's. 

That said, Jack West is probably worse than Josh Nunes.  I am 100% all-in on the decision for McKee and hope he crushes it.

I do as well.  But I always find the criticism of the 2012 decision laughable.  Because no one knows if Hogan was ready game one.  Hell, a lot of people wanted Nottingham.  And 2012 was a great coaching job.  Yet some still refuse to credit Shaw. Either, it was JH guys; or, had they gone to Hogan earlier they would have been in NC game. Check out the list of offensive players that graduated in ‘11.  That team was not expected to win the PAC-12.

Shaw deserves the blame he gets for those things he does wrong.  Chief of which, right now, is probably recruiting woes. The talent drop is significant.   But he also deserves credit for what his teams achieved.