[teejers1]

Curious what the clock mismanagement you are referring to?  Shaw stole us three points by calling a time out after the Vandy second down play and getting the ball back at the end of the half for a field goal attempt as the clock expired.  I only counted one time out on offense, but I don't think it was because the clock expired; it was taken with 9 seconds on the game clock.  I guess we did have a delay of game on a field goal attempt.  Is that what drove you to hit the beer garden?

BC

yes, in crucial situations, plays are extremely late getting in, if they get in time at all.  the Sanders mildcat seems to be a really slow personnel package to get going.  anyway unnecessary DOGs or wasted TOs.  I will give credit though -- no Shahfecta -- the DOG followed by TO followed by DOG which has occurred.   

our whole section was yelling at Shaw on the TO you reference.  as Vandy is only slightly louder than the Library, he may have heard us?  then late in the game when Myrtle-ing, Shaw does the opposite -- plays are in quickly and we don't run out the clock well -- sometimes under 10, never under 5 and sometimes above 30 (or at least in stadium play clock).  may be out of practice on Myrtle-ing?  in these latter situations, alas the beer garden had closed so impact probably much more pronounced.  

good rally (tip of the hat to the West Coasters).  among others, it was great to see Garin Veris and Greg Baty at the game.  we could have used them both.

If you can show me Stanford takes more TOS or gets more DOG’s than the average non uptempo team, I’ll buy it.  I see lots of teams burning timeouts to avoid DOGs. Or taking DOGs. Even at pro level.

One other factor.  And you’d need to follow pretty close. How many are from breaking huddle late?  How many are QB indecision.  The latter is not on the staff.  

Finally, what would you consider leaving huddle late?  Under 10???

I’ve always thought they have done run clock down well in past when ahead.  But I’ve missed both KSU and Vandy games.  So I can’t comment on this year.  But in game. that’s more on the QB than the staff.  If McKee is snapping early that needs to be addressed.  If it is not - that certainly is on the staff.  Remember, McKee is still inexperienced in game situations.

Lex, you're losing it in your old age if you don't think Stanford was unduly plagued by DOG penalties and time outs called to avoid same for most of the Shaw Era.  And really, who cares what DOG penalties other teams take? - it should rarely, if ever, happen at Stanford.  And it doesn't with teams who anticipate various down-and-distance scenarios, think in advance, are committed and have conviction on their in-game strategies, etc.  Stanford has been deficient on that front for far too long.

But I do think Shaw has improved on this very glaring deficiency in the last couple seasons, which is good.

P.S.  Someone on TOS did a DOG analysis on Stanford versus other teams and it was not good.  But that, too, was 2-3 seasons ago, and my gut tells me things have improved since then.

[teejers1]

Curious what the clock mismanagement you are referring to?  Shaw stole us three points by calling a time out after the Vandy second down play and getting the ball back at the end of the half for a field goal attempt as the clock expired.  I only counted one time out on offense, but I don't think it was because the clock expired; it was taken with 9 seconds on the game clock.  I guess we did have a delay of game on a field goal attempt.  Is that what drove you to hit the beer garden?

BC

yes, in crucial situations, plays are extremely late getting in, if they get in time at all.  the Sanders mildcat seems to be a really slow personnel package to get going.  anyway unnecessary DOGs or wasted TOs.  I will give credit though -- no Shahfecta -- the DOG followed by TO followed by DOG which has occurred.   

our whole section was yelling at Shaw on the TO you reference.  as Vandy is only slightly louder than the Library, he may have heard us?  then late in the game when Myrtle-ing, Shaw does the opposite -- plays are in quickly and we don't run out the clock well -- sometimes under 10, never under 5 and sometimes above 30 (or at least in stadium play clock).  may be out of practice on Myrtle-ing?  in these latter situations, alas the beer garden had closed so impact probably much more pronounced.  

good rally (tip of the hat to the West Coasters).  among others, it was great to see Garin Veris and Greg Baty at the game.  we could have used them both.

If you can show me Stanford takes more TOS or gets more DOG’s than the average non uptempo team, I’ll buy it.  I see lots of teams burning timeouts to avoid DOGs. Or taking DOGs. Even at pro level.

One other factor.  And you’d need to follow pretty close. How many are from breaking huddle late?  How many are QB indecision.  The latter is not on the staff.  

Finally, what would you consider leaving huddle late?  Under 10???

I’ve always thought they have done run clock down well in past when ahead.  But I’ve missed both KSU and Vandy games.  So I can’t comment on this year.  But in game. that’s more on the QB than the staff.  If McKee is snapping early that needs to be addressed.  If it is not - that certainly is on the staff.  Remember, McKee is still inexperienced in game situations.

Lex, you're losing it in your old age if you don't think Stanford was unduly plagued by DOG penalties and time outs called to avoid same for most of the Shaw Era.  And really, who cares what DOG penalties other teams take? - it should rarely, if ever, happen at Stanford.  And it doesn't with teams who anticipate various down-and-distance scenarios, think in advance, are committed and have conviction on their in-game strategies, etc.  Stanford has been deficient on that front for far too long.

But I do think Shaw has improved on this very glaring deficiency in the last couple seasons, which is good.

P.S.  Someone on TOS did a DOG analysis on Stanford versus other teams and it was not good.  But that, too, was 2-3 seasons ago, and my gut tells me things have improved since then.