[BostonCard]

He’s not stopping you from taking each of his points in turn and rebutting them. 81alum is even preemptively allowing you (or anyone else who disagrees with them) to have the last word.  Ultimately, though, this is a sports board, not a debating society, and the argument boils down to an unprovable hypothesis.  Do you think that Shaw can correct the problems with Stanford football?  If you believe the answer is no, and many people here do, then there is no point waiting any longer, and the sooner we get on with hiring his replacement, the better.  If, on the other hand, you believe that Shaw has the power to get the team doing better, then it follows that he should be given a chance todo so.  At this point, the arguments have all been trodden out, so I doubt anyone will be convinced.

I was probably among the last people to become convinced that Dawkins should be let go, but after enough  losing seasons, I came to agree with the majority here (as did the AD).  I think there is at least one poster who still thinks Dawkins could have gotten the team back on track, and a) now that he is gone, we can’t prove otherwise and b) that poster’s warning that there is no guarantee that his replacement will be any better see,s to have proven prescient (at least so far).  Despite Haase’s performance, I still think moving on from Dawkins was the right choice, but I respect the poster’s position.

Likewise, if we get a few more seasons of *gestures broadly at everything* this, I will come to the conclusion that Shaw cannot get us back to excellence, and hope that he and the administration come to an understanding about his future that does not involve him being the head coach here.  But, I haven’t seen enough data to convince me that he *can’t*, no matter how much some posters discount his eight seasons of success as due to players recruited by Harbaugh and momentum from the initial success. I still believe he deserves a chance to prove the naysayers wrong.  That is not a case I can make with data, nor a case that people can refute the data, because it necessarily involves an extrapolation into the future.

All that being said, however much one might be convinced that Shaw is not going to get out from under this, I think it is rather twisted logic to root for the team to be blown out so that his demise can be accelerated. Even once I had come around to accepting that Dawkins should be let go, I continued to hope that my conclusion was premature.  Likewise, even as I am convinced that Haase isn’t doing it, I continue to hope that he will turn it around and make a fool out of me.  It astonishes me that anyone would be so confident in their assessment of another man’s incompetence that they would wish a team they profess to support humiliation at the hands of rival.

BC

[BostonCard]

He’s not stopping you from taking each of his points in turn and rebutting them. 81alum is even preemptively allowing you (or anyone else who disagrees with them) to have the last word.  Ultimately, though, this is a sports board, not a debating society, and the argument boils down to an unprovable hypothesis.  Do you think that Shaw can correct the problems with Stanford football?  If you believe the answer is no, and many people here do, then there is no point waiting any longer, and the sooner we get on with hiring his replacement, the better.  If, on the other hand, you believe that Shaw has the power to get the team doing better, then it follows that he should be given a chance todo so.  At this point, the arguments have all been trodden out, so I doubt anyone will be convinced.

I was probably among the last people to become convinced that Dawkins should be let go, but after enough  losing seasons, I came to agree with the majority here (as did the AD).  I think there is at least one poster who still thinks Dawkins could have gotten the team back on track, and a) now that he is gone, we can’t prove otherwise and b) that poster’s warning that there is no guarantee that his replacement will be any better see,s to have proven prescient (at least so far).  Despite Haase’s performance, I still think moving on from Dawkins was the right choice, but I respect the poster’s position.

Likewise, if we get a few more seasons of *gestures broadly at everything* this, I will come to the conclusion that Shaw cannot get us back to excellence, and hope that he and the administration come to an understanding about his future that does not involve him being the head coach here.  But, I haven’t seen enough data to convince me that he *can’t*, no matter how much some posters discount his eight seasons of success as due to players recruited by Harbaugh and momentum from the initial success. I still believe he deserves a chance to prove the naysayers wrong.  That is not a case I can make with data, nor a case that people can refute the data, because it necessarily involves an extrapolation into the future.

All that being said, however much one might be convinced that Shaw is not going to get out from under this, I think it is rather twisted logic to root for the team to be blown out so that his demise can be accelerated. Even once I had come around to accepting that Dawkins should be let go, I continued to hope that my conclusion was premature.  Likewise, even as I am convinced that Haase isn’t doing it, I continue to hope that he will turn it around and make a fool out of me.  It astonishes me that anyone would be so confident in their assessment of another man’s incompetence that they would wish a team they profess to support humiliation at the hands of rival.

BC