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Okay, just a yes or no then, do you think a Harbaugh led college football team would fall to the depths Stanford has under Shaw?

I am not BC, but I will jump in here anyway. No, Harbaugh wouldn't fall that low because when things got pear shaped enough he would do something stupid and get fired. His conduct rubs people the wrong way at times. He does not deal with adversity calmly. That will catch up to a coach if he has a few 6-6 type seasons, so he would be long gone before he went 3-9. As it is, 2020 almost got him. Some thought he would be let go at that point.

I disagree. Harbaugh fired his good friend Don Brown as DC, he eased out his longtime colleague Tim Drevno as OC, he took away responsibility from Pep Hamilton and transferred it to Josh Gattis, leading to Hamilton leaving. He stepped up his recruiting and transfer game with a battalion of younger assistants and staffers.

There's been a narrative in the national media and on this board too that Harbaugh is good at injecting EUTM into a team but that after a few years his intense style grates on people and that it's better to replace him at that point. Yet he is in his seventh year at Michigan with his best team by far and a legitimate chance at a national championship. He had a miserable season last year but didn't do anything stupid to get fired, to the contrary he fought for his job by converting half his salary into incentives.

As you said, his conduct does rub people the wrong way and he doesn't deal with adversity calmly. Those aren't necessarily negative attributes for a college football coach. They describe Nick Saban pretty well, for example. When Harbaugh left Stanford there was a common reaction of "great turnaround job but not that sorry to see you go, turning the program over to a steadier hand is good." Seeing what Harbaugh is doing at Michigan (and anticipating that he will build off of this year in terms of recruiting next year) makes me believe that if Harbaugh had remained at Stanford he would have taken the necessary measures to reinvigorate the program when that was called for, without torching the program.

"...if Harbaugh had remained at Stanford he would have taken the necessary measures to reinvigorate the program when that was called for..."

All of which calls for the flint that is the diametric opposite of Shaw's apparent mentality and temperament. This is the basis of my argument that he can never, ever regain the glory years. It's just not in him. He is not that guy.

[gailtate]

Okay, just a yes or no then, do you think a Harbaugh led college football team would fall to the depths Stanford has under Shaw?

I am not BC, but I will jump in here anyway. No, Harbaugh wouldn't fall that low because when things got pear shaped enough he would do something stupid and get fired. His conduct rubs people the wrong way at times. He does not deal with adversity calmly. That will catch up to a coach if he has a few 6-6 type seasons, so he would be long gone before he went 3-9. As it is, 2020 almost got him. Some thought he would be let go at that point.

I disagree. Harbaugh fired his good friend Don Brown as DC, he eased out his longtime colleague Tim Drevno as OC, he took away responsibility from Pep Hamilton and transferred it to Josh Gattis, leading to Hamilton leaving. He stepped up his recruiting and transfer game with a battalion of younger assistants and staffers.

There's been a narrative in the national media and on this board too that Harbaugh is good at injecting EUTM into a team but that after a few years his intense style grates on people and that it's better to replace him at that point. Yet he is in his seventh year at Michigan with his best team by far and a legitimate chance at a national championship. He had a miserable season last year but didn't do anything stupid to get fired, to the contrary he fought for his job by converting half his salary into incentives.

As you said, his conduct does rub people the wrong way and he doesn't deal with adversity calmly. Those aren't necessarily negative attributes for a college football coach. They describe Nick Saban pretty well, for example. When Harbaugh left Stanford there was a common reaction of "great turnaround job but not that sorry to see you go, turning the program over to a steadier hand is good." Seeing what Harbaugh is doing at Michigan (and anticipating that he will build off of this year in terms of recruiting next year) makes me believe that if Harbaugh had remained at Stanford he would have taken the necessary measures to reinvigorate the program when that was called for, without torching the program.

"...if Harbaugh had remained at Stanford he would have taken the necessary measures to reinvigorate the program when that was called for..."

All of which calls for the flint that is the diametric opposite of Shaw's apparent mentality and temperament. This is the basis of my argument that he can never, ever regain the glory years. It's just not in him. He is not that guy.