[Farm93]

Finally got a conference title and beat tOSU, so after a few days they will realize that's not all that bad.  A good season, but not a great season.

CFP, in 4-team format, is not a "great" season?  Are you serious?

And btw, we don't even have a "good" season - by your definition - on our horizon.  
But of course no talk about Shaw's job security, right?

Michigan is THE winningest program in college football, so a season without a bowl game win is not a great season.   Lots of Michigan seasons simply have been much better.   Yes, after more than a decade of far below average seasons this good season feels great, but in historic terms this simply isn't one of Michigan's 10 or 15 best seasons.   Therefore, IMHO merely good. 

And that's without factoring in the reality that they didn't just lose the bowl game, they were crushed. 

Just different standards for different programs.    The Cubs get into the playoffs then that's a great season.  If the Yankees don't win the World Series, it simply can't be a great season...for their fans.

Back to Stanford...Shaw has coached Stanford to 3 of its 15 best seasons.   Shaw definitely has had two of Stanford's greatest seasons.  And THAT is job security, at least for a bit longer.    For me his job security is tied to a brutal reality that the Pac-12 is not a desirable destination for fame and prestige right now.    When Shaw leaves I am confident (fearful) that the next coach will regress towards our historic mean and will depart if they ever get an 8-4 or better season.  Therefore I am all in on hoping Shaw fixes the problems as the Pac-12 coaching shuffle is a tough way to compete given our academic requirements, the NIL and the evolving use of the transfer portal.

Besides Shaw won't be fired before Haase IMHO.   Until Muir has the courage to terminate Haase, a coach that has accomplished so little, there is no way Shaw will be fired.   But I know folks love to complain and there is no doubt 2021 was not a great season.    It's all good.   Haters gonna hate even if they are hating on the winningest coach in the history of Stanford football.

[Farm93]

Finally got a conference title and beat tOSU, so after a few days they will realize that's not all that bad.  A good season, but not a great season.

CFP, in 4-team format, is not a "great" season?  Are you serious?

And btw, we don't even have a "good" season - by your definition - on our horizon.  
But of course no talk about Shaw's job security, right?

Michigan is THE winningest program in college football, so a season without a bowl game win is not a great season.   Lots of Michigan seasons simply have been much better.   Yes, after more than a decade of far below average seasons this good season feels great, but in historic terms this simply isn't one of Michigan's 10 or 15 best seasons.   Therefore, IMHO merely good. 

And that's without factoring in the reality that they didn't just lose the bowl game, they were crushed. 

Just different standards for different programs.    The Cubs get into the playoffs then that's a great season.  If the Yankees don't win the World Series, it simply can't be a great season...for their fans.

Back to Stanford...Shaw has coached Stanford to 3 of its 15 best seasons.   Shaw definitely has had two of Stanford's greatest seasons.  And THAT is job security, at least for a bit longer.    For me his job security is tied to a brutal reality that the Pac-12 is not a desirable destination for fame and prestige right now.    When Shaw leaves I am confident (fearful) that the next coach will regress towards our historic mean and will depart if they ever get an 8-4 or better season.  Therefore I am all in on hoping Shaw fixes the problems as the Pac-12 coaching shuffle is a tough way to compete given our academic requirements, the NIL and the evolving use of the transfer portal.

Besides Shaw won't be fired before Haase IMHO.   Until Muir has the courage to terminate Haase, a coach that has accomplished so little, there is no way Shaw will be fired.   But I know folks love to complain and there is no doubt 2021 was not a great season.    It's all good.   Haters gonna hate even if they are hating on the winningest coach in the history of Stanford football.