[DC 86]

Arms. Allen no doubt has one but I doubt if he had the MPH that Elway did. Long passes? Stafford throws an accurate rainbow, Mahomes and Rodgers can flick it 70 yards on the money. None of them however threw a prettier deep ball than pre-getting his brains beat out Jim Plunkett.

I do realize it seems impossible, and maybe I am wrong, that anybody could throw it further than Elway (which, probably, means throwing it harder/faster than Elway).

But as big as Elway is, Allen is two inches taller. Even though I had heard how big he was, the first time I saw him (even as a Wyoming football fan who had heard he was big) I didn't recognize him because he just seemed to tall to be a quarterback. He looks like a tight end.

I could be wrong. Elway had a massive arm. I always heard he was an outfielder at Stanford, but I saw him at third base a few times and it was amazing how quickly the ball got from his hand to first base (Mike Aldrete, perhaps, or was that later?). And we all know about the Elway Cross.

But this kid Allen has an amazing arm, too, in a slightly bigger body.

In the end, I guess it is hard to tell. And it doesn't really matter. The point is the Bills should have used that arm before they were more than a touchdown behind.

Though he was before my time, I certainly do not dispute that pre-Patriots Plunkett's passes were works of art. But more of a "drop it in the bucket" arc than Elway's or Allen's cannon shots, it seems to me. But I have only seen him in film, never live, so maybe I'm wrong.

Mahomes and Stafford can both throw it deep, to be sure. But neither would stand a chance in a distance contest against Elway or Allen, imo.

Since they started measuring quarterbacks' throws at the combine and such the fastest recorded throws have indeed been by Josh Allen, 62 mph.

I'm biased but it's hard to imagine someone throwing harder than Elway, but we can't know. Anecdotally the Broncos would set their Juggs machines at 70-80 mph to acclimate their receivers to his throws.

Height and arm length helps to throw hard but the fastest fastballs of their eras were thrown by Bob Feller (6-0) and Nolan Ryan (6-2) so it doesn't convince me that Allen throws harder than Elway just because he is taller.

Brett Favre and Jeff George had very strong arms as well.

[DC 86]

Arms. Allen no doubt has one but I doubt if he had the MPH that Elway did. Long passes? Stafford throws an accurate rainbow, Mahomes and Rodgers can flick it 70 yards on the money. None of them however threw a prettier deep ball than pre-getting his brains beat out Jim Plunkett.

I do realize it seems impossible, and maybe I am wrong, that anybody could throw it further than Elway (which, probably, means throwing it harder/faster than Elway).

But as big as Elway is, Allen is two inches taller. Even though I had heard how big he was, the first time I saw him (even as a Wyoming football fan who had heard he was big) I didn't recognize him because he just seemed to tall to be a quarterback. He looks like a tight end.

I could be wrong. Elway had a massive arm. I always heard he was an outfielder at Stanford, but I saw him at third base a few times and it was amazing how quickly the ball got from his hand to first base (Mike Aldrete, perhaps, or was that later?). And we all know about the Elway Cross.

But this kid Allen has an amazing arm, too, in a slightly bigger body.

In the end, I guess it is hard to tell. And it doesn't really matter. The point is the Bills should have used that arm before they were more than a touchdown behind.

Though he was before my time, I certainly do not dispute that pre-Patriots Plunkett's passes were works of art. But more of a "drop it in the bucket" arc than Elway's or Allen's cannon shots, it seems to me. But I have only seen him in film, never live, so maybe I'm wrong.

Mahomes and Stafford can both throw it deep, to be sure. But neither would stand a chance in a distance contest against Elway or Allen, imo.

Since they started measuring quarterbacks' throws at the combine and such the fastest recorded throws have indeed been by Josh Allen, 62 mph.

I'm biased but it's hard to imagine someone throwing harder than Elway, but we can't know. Anecdotally the Broncos would set their Juggs machines at 70-80 mph to acclimate their receivers to his throws.

Height and arm length helps to throw hard but the fastest fastballs of their eras were thrown by Bob Feller (6-0) and Nolan Ryan (6-2) so it doesn't convince me that Allen throws harder than Elway just because he is taller.

Brett Favre and Jeff George had very strong arms as well.