[Brickcity]

 In the meantime I truly and dearly miss it, as I did from 2002 through 2006. #MuirAndShawMustGo.

Maybe because those were my four years at Stanford, I'm more blase than most about the current situation. At least the basketball team was good back then though.

Muir should go IMHO, for myriad reasons with football not being too high on that list. Wish Harbaugh never left (never a chance of that sadly). But I think Stanford can certainly do much, much, much worse than Shaw. Coaches in general get too short of a leash in this sport, where so much is really just dumb chance, and Shaw has won enough here to have earned the time to try and turn things around. I'm still rooting for him to do it. And frankly with the NIL situation being what it is, I'm not sure Harbaugh or Saban or any other great CFB coach could be taking Stanford to Rose Bowls with the type of game this is turning into, and the type of school Stanford is.

"Stanford can certainly do much, much, much worse than Shaw. Coaches in general get too short of a leash in this sport, where so much is really just dumb chance."

Really? I think your expectations for the program - as in, rock-bottom low -  must have been formed and permanently cemented by watching those teams under Teevens and Walt. But, I have news for you: the results that Harbaugh got - Hell, the results under guys like Dennis Green and Tyrone Willingham - were not a function of "dumb chance." The only "dumb chance" involving Stanford football coaches of recent decades was the sheer luck that Shaw experienced by being named the head coach after Harbaugh left.

For many of us who have followed Stanford football closely, the signs of Shaw's ineptitude appeared in his first season as head coach (can you say, the "Fiasco Bowl"?) and have repeated themselves annually ever since.

[Brickcity]

 In the meantime I truly and dearly miss it, as I did from 2002 through 2006. #MuirAndShawMustGo.

Maybe because those were my four years at Stanford, I'm more blase than most about the current situation. At least the basketball team was good back then though.

Muir should go IMHO, for myriad reasons with football not being too high on that list. Wish Harbaugh never left (never a chance of that sadly). But I think Stanford can certainly do much, much, much worse than Shaw. Coaches in general get too short of a leash in this sport, where so much is really just dumb chance, and Shaw has won enough here to have earned the time to try and turn things around. I'm still rooting for him to do it. And frankly with the NIL situation being what it is, I'm not sure Harbaugh or Saban or any other great CFB coach could be taking Stanford to Rose Bowls with the type of game this is turning into, and the type of school Stanford is.

"Stanford can certainly do much, much, much worse than Shaw. Coaches in general get too short of a leash in this sport, where so much is really just dumb chance."

Really? I think your expectations for the program - as in, rock-bottom low -  must have been formed and permanently cemented by watching those teams under Teevens and Walt. But, I have news for you: the results that Harbaugh got - Hell, the results under guys like Dennis Green and Tyrone Willingham - were not a function of "dumb chance." The only "dumb chance" involving Stanford football coaches of recent decades was the sheer luck that Shaw experienced by being named the head coach after Harbaugh left.

For many of us who have followed Stanford football closely, the signs of Shaw's ineptitude appeared in his first season as head coach (can you say, the "Fiasco Bowl"?) and have repeated themselves annually ever since.