[jonnyss]

From the plaintiff's complaint it's not clear that the first incident would have been recognized as an obvious opiate overdose, and that evidence it may have been was hidden by other private parties involved.

if so, i guess i think like a doctor and you think like a lawyer.

As a doctor I find sometimes you have to think like a lawyer as well, but in this situation I think it mostly comes down to personal responsibility.

(unlike, for example, katie meyer) this death was not a surprise. it was completely preventable. as i wrote above, any of eitan, his parents, his friends, the fraternity, the r a, the just-call-911 r d, the paramedics, vaden, stanford could have prevented this tragedy. i believe we all, when involved, would do well to think about what we could have done differently. yes, eitan; yes, the parents; but not just them. everybody involved could have and should have done more to help.

if, by "personal responsibility." you are saying the drug and alcohol dependent deserve their misfortune, i disagree. alcohol and drug treatment don't always work but they have saved millions of lives. and more often than not, the individual has to be pushed to enter treatment.

if this was a fentanyl overdose, he would have had pinpoint pupils. this is not subtle. it's readily visible and really obvious from 5' away. stanford should have sent the sc county health dept warning (and a supply of narcan) to all r d's. following the instructions in the warning, the r a should have been trained to look for pinpoint pupils in an unresponsive student. if the r d didn't want to get off his ass and personally evaluate an unresponsive student, he should have asked the r a. to check pupils. the paramedics should have looked for and seen this within 5 seconds (unless they arrived 3 hours late).

[jonnyss]

From the plaintiff's complaint it's not clear that the first incident would have been recognized as an obvious opiate overdose, and that evidence it may have been was hidden by other private parties involved.

if so, i guess i think like a doctor and you think like a lawyer.

As a doctor I find sometimes you have to think like a lawyer as well, but in this situation I think it mostly comes down to personal responsibility.

(unlike, for example, katie meyer) this death was not a surprise. it was completely preventable. as i wrote above, any of eitan, his parents, his friends, the fraternity, the r a, the just-call-911 r d, the paramedics, vaden, stanford could have prevented this tragedy. i believe we all, when involved, would do well to think about what we could have done differently. yes, eitan; yes, the parents; but not just them. everybody involved could have and should have done more to help.

if, by "personal responsibility." you are saying the drug and alcohol dependent deserve their misfortune, i disagree. alcohol and drug treatment don't always work but they have saved millions of lives. and more often than not, the individual has to be pushed to enter treatment.

if this was a fentanyl overdose, he would have had pinpoint pupils. this is not subtle. it's readily visible and really obvious from 5' away. stanford should have sent the sc county health dept warning (and a supply of narcan) to all r d's. following the instructions in the warning, the r a should have been trained to look for pinpoint pupils in an unresponsive student. if the r d didn't want to get off his ass and personally evaluate an unresponsive student, he should have asked the r a. to check pupils. the paramedics should have looked for and seen this within 5 seconds (unless they arrived 3 hours late).