(07-09-2022, 06:03 PM)Mick Wrote: Carr took over from Bo Schembechler (.796) and Gary Moeller (.758). Harbaugh took over from Rich Rod (.405) and Brady Hoke (.608).I would buy that argument if JH started with mediocre records and improved monotonically. That is what he did at Stanford. However, he didn't at Michigan. He started out with two 10-3 years and then has been a bit more up and down. The last two seasons were the most down then up. Using the arguments many on this board seem to like, two of his best years were with Hoke's recruits. JH has also been at Michigan long enough (7 years) that it is certainly his baby by now.
I think a better argument is that the B1G changed a lot during the Rich Rod and Hoke years. It is now much harder to match Bo (or even Moeller) in winning percentage. The level of competition is different both inside the B1G and outside it for recruits. My threshold is that if you win 80% of your games for "several" (5 or more is nice) years, you are without a doubt a great coach. No discussion possible. Very, very few can do that. You may be a great coach if you "only" win 75% (or so) of your games, but then it is a discussion. It then matters who you beat, how you did in terms of conference championships etc. What JH does now will tell the story. If he goes on a tear, he can get into the discussion as a "great" coach IMHO. He isn't there yet.
FWIW https://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/footba...oaches.htm shows Moeller at .771 and Bo at .802 "overall".