[msqueri]

Teriffic news that Lyons is committed.  He's got every chance to be in the line of Stanford TEs who make it to the pros.  

As a side note, I think Stanford now is pretty likely to end up with a top 25 recruiting class again.  That would be the 4th such class in the last 5 years, 8th in the last 10 years, and 12th in the last 15 years.  That's an impressive run, especially for a team like Stanford that is facing so many headwinds in the current environment.  That said, unless and until Stanford lands the next in the line of 4-star QBs (or at least a solid QB recruit with upside), I don't think it's fully accurate to say that the program is keeping up with its last 15 years of historical talent levels.

Stanford being a top 25 class would be an on-paper kind of thing but not in reality. Lyons and Clegg, two of the three marquee players in the class, are 2025 recruits. Our 2023 recruiting class will be worse than the rankings suggest.

I'm not yet at the point of being sure where the 2023 class will rank with the benefit of Lyons and Clegg. For what it's worth, if you assume we close on Evan Link, Leviticus Su'a, Ethan Thomason (another who wouldn't really be part of this class), Gavin Geweniger, Zak Yamauchi, Tre Williams, Brock Fonoimoana (another who wouldn't really be part of this class), Elijah Hughes, Carter Shaw, a 3-star QB (plugging Emory Williams in notionally), and a 3-star DB that would certainly be an optimistic read of the rest of our board. Plugging those names into the 247 class calculator spits out a 226.96 score, which would be the eighth best score of Shaw's 12 recruiting classes. Last year it would have ranked 22nd nationally and the year before 19th.

I would be quite relieved about that but would make the same point as you about QB. And that notional class envisions a very successful end game in terms of closing the remaining recruitments and, again, gives us credit for numerous LDS missionaries, including two of the jewels of the class.

All in all, with Lonergan gone, I think it's safe to say recruiting is not keeping up with the historical talent levels of the last 15 years but it's chugging along at a high enough level not to be disastrous. Indeed, it's an impressive steady state level of recruiting given our lack of football success in recent years.

[msqueri]

Teriffic news that Lyons is committed.  He's got every chance to be in the line of Stanford TEs who make it to the pros.  

As a side note, I think Stanford now is pretty likely to end up with a top 25 recruiting class again.  That would be the 4th such class in the last 5 years, 8th in the last 10 years, and 12th in the last 15 years.  That's an impressive run, especially for a team like Stanford that is facing so many headwinds in the current environment.  That said, unless and until Stanford lands the next in the line of 4-star QBs (or at least a solid QB recruit with upside), I don't think it's fully accurate to say that the program is keeping up with its last 15 years of historical talent levels.

Stanford being a top 25 class would be an on-paper kind of thing but not in reality. Lyons and Clegg, two of the three marquee players in the class, are 2025 recruits. Our 2023 recruiting class will be worse than the rankings suggest.

I'm not yet at the point of being sure where the 2023 class will rank with the benefit of Lyons and Clegg. For what it's worth, if you assume we close on Evan Link, Leviticus Su'a, Ethan Thomason (another who wouldn't really be part of this class), Gavin Geweniger, Zak Yamauchi, Tre Williams, Brock Fonoimoana (another who wouldn't really be part of this class), Elijah Hughes, Carter Shaw, a 3-star QB (plugging Emory Williams in notionally), and a 3-star DB that would certainly be an optimistic read of the rest of our board. Plugging those names into the 247 class calculator spits out a 226.96 score, which would be the eighth best score of Shaw's 12 recruiting classes. Last year it would have ranked 22nd nationally and the year before 19th.

I would be quite relieved about that but would make the same point as you about QB. And that notional class envisions a very successful end game in terms of closing the remaining recruitments and, again, gives us credit for numerous LDS missionaries, including two of the jewels of the class.

All in all, with Lonergan gone, I think it's safe to say recruiting is not keeping up with the historical talent levels of the last 15 years but it's chugging along at a high enough level not to be disastrous. Indeed, it's an impressive steady state level of recruiting given our lack of football success in recent years.