(10-07-2022, 12:59 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:(10-07-2022, 12:08 PM)gailtate Wrote:(10-07-2022, 10:27 AM)Row80Critic Wrote: Anyone else think it might be worth giving Patu a shot? He just seems to have a bit more 'play maker' in him -- quicker decisions, quicker to see a pocket fall apart, quicker to get away and make something happen. I can see why people are high on McKee's mechanics, etc., but it feels like everything has to go 'just right' for him to look good. Or maybe that's just Shaw coaching him down to run the plays like a robot regardless of circumstances....? Has McKee 'ever' escaped the pocket and made a play?? I'm not bad-mouthing McKee per say -- he'd probably look like a first-rounder on another team with another coach -- but just wondering if this offense might benefit from someone quicker to assess, escape, and improvise....
You hit it on the sweet spot. Think back a few years: what happened to Burns, Chryst, Costello (Mills got out in time). Even the hapless West? Did any of these guys grow and improve under Shawvita braintrust? McKee showed more instincts and moxie a year ago. He went into this season rated the second-best QB in the Pac12! What's he doing now? Sure, he can throw a 40-yard rope from a protected pocket and it there in stride with the receiver. So can some kids in Sacramento high schools. I dunno, maybe I was spoiled by Andrew Luck. For sure, I was spoiled by EUTM.
This program sucks wind.
Sorry but this is bs. Maybe it applies to Burns, but it's a major stretch for the rest. Chryst had good potential before the ACL. I really liked him in the second half of the 2016 seasonuntil he got injured, but was never the same after the injury. It wasn't just Shaw. He transferred and was worse at TN than at Stanford. Costello had a fine career at Stanford and I'm guessing he would have stuck around if he didn't sense that Mills was going to pass him. It's not like he was any better at Miss St. than he was at Stanford. And Mills "got out in time"? Jeez, talk about squeezing a fact pattern to a preconceived theory. Over the course of 4 years, Shaw and Pritchard developed and showcased Mills' skills enough to allow Mills to get drafted in the third round and become a starting NFL QB (even if not a great one). That's a darn good result that needs a lot more than "got out in time."
I'm not so sure that Shawvita developed Mills' skills. The kid was the number one rated QB in his high school class. The expectation is that someone like this will be a star in college and have a shot a the NFL. At least it should be.
As for Chryst, I was never impressed by his play - his relatively good play in the second half of 2016 happened against the weakest part of the schedule when he had all day to throw and his receivers were wiiiide open.
Re Costello: we might have had to wait another year or two to see him if Shaw hadn't been forced to play him due to Chryst's injury at home to UCLA. Of course, in Shaw's infinite wisdom, he decided to put them through a "QB competition" after Chryst got healthy, only to see Chryst stink up the joint so much again that Shaw had to go back to Costello. Nearly cost us the game at OSU that year.
Speaking of the Chryst/Costello mess, I distinctly remember the Rice game in Australia. Stanford was rolling Rice, though (predicatbly) Chryst was mediocre. Burns came in briefly in garbage time, followed by Costello, who was making his college debut. With his very first pass, it was obvious to me - and probably most fans - that Costello was already light years ahead of Chryst and should be named starter immediately. But, David Shaw either didn't see what we all saw or was so wedded to keeping the more experienced Chryst as starter, I'm sure the thought never entered his mind. Pathetic.