[SamuelMcF]

It should be a clear sign of the program's troubles that all of the 2022 captains eligible to return to the team are leaving - Damuni, Nugent, McKee, Miezan and McGill.

Stanford's talent level next season could be the equivalent of a pro sports expansion team. And without the benefit of any high draft picks or free agents.

Crazy thought here but couldn't it be the case that contrary to the prevailing opinion on this board, a lot of players, particularly captains, actually loved playing for Shaw and the prior staff despite the losses and have no interest in sticking around to be coached by a new staff that they have no relationships with???

C'mon, quit trying to be logical.  That allows for optimism, which isn't permitted on this Board.  Of course all of the players are leaving because they don't want to have to play for all of the horrible coaches that they wouldn't have had to play for anyway because they are no longer there.  See, whatever bad that happens is going to be due to Shawvita forever, just like everything that happens in basketball is Dawkins' fault... forever.

Most are leaving because they have their degrees, are sick of losing, and don't want to be here for 1 more year in the beginning of a rebuild. 

This is not an opinion.

[SamuelMcF]

It should be a clear sign of the program's troubles that all of the 2022 captains eligible to return to the team are leaving - Damuni, Nugent, McKee, Miezan and McGill.

Stanford's talent level next season could be the equivalent of a pro sports expansion team. And without the benefit of any high draft picks or free agents.

Crazy thought here but couldn't it be the case that contrary to the prevailing opinion on this board, a lot of players, particularly captains, actually loved playing for Shaw and the prior staff despite the losses and have no interest in sticking around to be coached by a new staff that they have no relationships with???

C'mon, quit trying to be logical.  That allows for optimism, which isn't permitted on this Board.  Of course all of the players are leaving because they don't want to have to play for all of the horrible coaches that they wouldn't have had to play for anyway because they are no longer there.  See, whatever bad that happens is going to be due to Shawvita forever, just like everything that happens in basketball is Dawkins' fault... forever.

Most are leaving because they have their degrees, are sick of losing, and don't want to be here for 1 more year in the beginning of a rebuild. 

This is not an opinion.