[OutsiderFan]

Kind of tells you all you need to know about a university when there is any discussion at all about how to avoid cheating.

It's not high school, where you are forced to be there. You choose to attend college. You choose to educate yourself. If people want to cheat, they are cheating nobody but themselves. Because if people are able to advance their lives even after cheating on tests in college, how necessary is it to get good grades in college anyway?

I mean if you can perform tasks well and create value for people, who cares what your college GPA was?  If you want to pursue post-graduate education, these questions become even more pointed. Who the hell cheats in graduate school? If yer concerned about research, the whole system is setup to allow other people to agree with or disagree with your results and conclusions. Incorrect conclusions or "cheating" will be exposed, as MTL knows.

Sure, there may be incentives created around certain academic accomplishments that can be faked, but our entire society deals with lying, cheating and stealing all the time. It's not somehow reserved to college campuses. And we have a justice system that punishes people who lie, cheat, and steal to the point they become problems for society.

This fits right in with Stanford's culture of "we better not put too much priority on the conspicuous sports because it will make us look like we aren't superior to everyone else intellectually." It's ALMOST like Stanford being superior to everyone else is a long con.

[OutsiderFan]

Kind of tells you all you need to know about a university when there is any discussion at all about how to avoid cheating.

It's not high school, where you are forced to be there. You choose to attend college. You choose to educate yourself. If people want to cheat, they are cheating nobody but themselves. Because if people are able to advance their lives even after cheating on tests in college, how necessary is it to get good grades in college anyway?

I mean if you can perform tasks well and create value for people, who cares what your college GPA was?  If you want to pursue post-graduate education, these questions become even more pointed. Who the hell cheats in graduate school? If yer concerned about research, the whole system is setup to allow other people to agree with or disagree with your results and conclusions. Incorrect conclusions or "cheating" will be exposed, as MTL knows.

Sure, there may be incentives created around certain academic accomplishments that can be faked, but our entire society deals with lying, cheating and stealing all the time. It's not somehow reserved to college campuses. And we have a justice system that punishes people who lie, cheat, and steal to the point they become problems for society.

This fits right in with Stanford's culture of "we better not put too much priority on the conspicuous sports because it will make us look like we aren't superior to everyone else intellectually." It's ALMOST like Stanford being superior to everyone else is a long con.