05-15-2025, 01:56 PM
(05-15-2025, 07:50 AM)terry Wrote:(05-14-2025, 07:53 PM)Giants Wrote: Rose
Jackson
Bonds
Clemens
Rodriguez
Sosa
All six of them deserve a place in the Hall. They were outstanding players.
Note: If we are going to nitpick over their off-field behavior, we should take a long, hard look at the existing enshrines who had significant character flaws.
Note2: I am an advocate of judging players by what they accomplished between the white lines.
When the issue is steroids, are we really just "nitpicking their off-field behavior"? There's a reasonable argument that when it comes to steroid users, "what they accomplished between the white lines" was influenced -- some might say tainted -- by the performance boost they got from steroids.
But putting that issue aside for the moment, I'm curious about how you distinguish among Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, and Sheffield. Some numbers:
Avg Hits HRs RBIs OPS WAR
Sosa............... .273 2408 609 1667 .878 58.6
McGwire......... .263 1626 583 1414 .982 62.2
Palmeiro......... .288 3020 569 1835 .885 71.9
Sheffield......... .292 2689 509 1676 .907 60.5
It is noteworthy that Clemens, Pettite, Gagne, Brown and other pitchers used PEDs as well. Makes the steroid batting accomplishments even more impressive...
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