[Mick]

On the other hand, there were honest players whose careers were wrecked because they were pitching against jacked hitters or trying to hit against juiced pitchers.

The biggest thing, though, is you just never know how things would have gone had there not been PEDs.  Bonds would probably have still been a generational talent and had numbers worthy of the HoF, but he would probably not have hit 70 home runs in 2001 without steroids.  So, would it have been 50, 60, enough to still have a share of the record?  Nobody knows, and that’s what’s frustrating about it.

BC

Agreed. I do wonder if Jeff Kent would have made the HoF, and I wonder how Will Clark would have done against PED-free pitchers. Would Kent have had 600 doubles and 400 HRs, up from 560 and 377? Would Clark have had 500 and 300, maybe been a .315 career hitter up from .303? We'll never know.

[Mick]

On the other hand, there were honest players whose careers were wrecked because they were pitching against jacked hitters or trying to hit against juiced pitchers.

The biggest thing, though, is you just never know how things would have gone had there not been PEDs.  Bonds would probably have still been a generational talent and had numbers worthy of the HoF, but he would probably not have hit 70 home runs in 2001 without steroids.  So, would it have been 50, 60, enough to still have a share of the record?  Nobody knows, and that’s what’s frustrating about it.

BC

Agreed. I do wonder if Jeff Kent would have made the HoF, and I wonder how Will Clark would have done against PED-free pitchers. Would Kent have had 600 doubles and 400 HRs, up from 560 and 377? Would Clark have had 500 and 300, maybe been a .315 career hitter up from .303? We'll never know.