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[BostonCard]

I wish we had Langdude's personnel chart for basketball.  Would be easier to keep track of scholarships and needs.

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[SamuelMcF]

Here ya go. I'm not inserting a "redshirt" column because we rarely do that, nor including walk-ons because they rarely play.

	Incoming Frosh	First Year	Second Year	Third Year	Fourth Year
Guard	Isa Silva	Michael O'Connell Noah Taitz	(Tyrell Terry)	Bryce Wills	Daejon Davis
Wing/Forward	Harrison Ingram	Ziaire Williams Brandon Angel	Spencer Jones	Jaiden Delaire	(KZ Okpala)
Big		Max Murrell	James Keefe Keenan Fitzmorris (RS Soph)	Lukas Kisunas	Oscar Da Silva

Note our early NBA draft entrants in (parenthesized italics) and the "holes" they now leave behind. In the day and age of the transfer portal, practically all other schools are able to plug such holes instantly with veteran starting-quality players. We are not. This is WAY more significant in MBB than in football. Transfers absolutely litter the landscape of the sport unless you're a blue-blood (and even then... Reid Travis played for Kentucky for a year, and I think they have one now too). It's an epidemic. Just from the teams we've played, should've played, or will be playing soon:

- Alabama's starting PG Jahvon Quinerly transferred in from Villanova, and starting big man Jordan Bruner was a grad transfer from Yale.

- 4 of NC A&T's top 6 are all transfers, 2 4-year guys (NC State and VCU) and 2 JuCos.

- CSUN's 2 stud guards who made it rain against us are both transfers - one from Texas A&M and one from JuCo.

- 4 of upcoming opponent Arizona's top 8 are 4-year transfers from Kentucky, Nevada, Georgetown, and Seattle U.

- USC's top 8 are the whale Mobley brothers, another sophomore guard, and FIVE 4-year transfers.

Just ridiculous.

[BostonCard]

I count 12 or 13 on scholarship (depending on how you count Keefe) and two incoming frosh.  In theory, nobody looses a year of eligibility this year, so everyone could come back, but I'm assuming Davis and Da Silva will graduate and Williams will declare for the NBA, so to stay at the 13 scholarship limit, it makes sense to offer (and take) one more player.

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[Papa John]

Is it really a given that ZW is going to leave for the NBA after this season? He's averaging 10.2 pts and 27.4 minutes per game. His 2-point and 3-point percentages are 34.5 and 25, respectively. He rarely gets to the foul line and averages 2.8 turnovers per game. Wouldn't NBA front office personnel need to see improvement on the college court before drafting him?

[BobK]

Keefe is on scholarship so 13.

But the recent offer is for Williams. Which is good planning

[Hurlburt88]

Is it really a given that ZW is going to leave for the NBA after this season? He's averaging 10.2 pts and 27.4 minutes per game. His 2-point and 3-point percentages are 34.5 and 25, respectively. He rarely gets to the foul line and averages 2.8 turnovers per game. Wouldn't NBA front office personnel need to see improvement on the college court before drafting him?

I am starting to ask the same question.   Watching other "top" freshman at other schools playing like obvious first rounders, I have been wondering if ZW will develop quickly or if he might not be a 1st rounder after this year?

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Haase has some flexibility:  ZW, Keefe (initial agreement was walk-on for 2, scholarship for 2), possible early departure

also with covid rules, Daejon or Oscar could come back next year and count against the 13 (or at least that is the way I read the ncaa summary)

fwiw, I like Moss' shot.  good form, serious range and he looks to have added a couple of inches from last year.

[BobK]

Not count. :)

[Brickcity]

Is it really a given that ZW is going to leave for the NBA after this season? He's averaging 10.2 pts and 27.4 minutes per game. His 2-point and 3-point percentages are 34.5 and 25, respectively. He rarely gets to the foul line and averages 2.8 turnovers per game. Wouldn't NBA front office personnel need to see improvement on the college court before drafting him?

I am starting to ask the same question.   Watching other "top" freshman at other schools playing like obvious first rounders, I have been wondering if ZW will develop quickly or if he might not be a 1st rounder after this year?

This is a topic on my mind too. We know that NBA teams draft based on potential much more so than current abilities. But, ZW does look like someone who may take a few years before becoming a productive pro. For the reasons outlined here and his skinny frame. I would have to assume that if he comes out he'd at least sneak into the first round. But, might find himself in the D league for a couple years while his body matures. If the scouts tell him the same, he'd be very smart to stay at Stanford for at least another season.

[SamuelMcF]

I would have to assume that if he comes out he'd at least sneak into the first round. But, might find himself in the D league for a couple years while his body matures. If the scouts tell him the same, he'd be very smart to stay at Stanford for at least another season.

KZ and Ty both did/are doing this. IMO he's gone.

[Brickcity]

I would have to assume that if he comes out he'd at least sneak into the first round. But, might find himself in the D league for a couple years while his body matures. If the scouts tell him the same, he'd be very smart to stay at Stanford for at least another season.

KZ and Ty both did/are doing this. IMO he's gone.

I agree that he's almost certain to leave, considering he was pegged as a top-5 pick coming into the season. That said, TT proved a lot more during his freshman season than JW has thus far. But, there's still time for JW to prove himself and again, it's all about "upside" to NBA teams.

[BobK]

https://twitter.com/coloradopremier/stat...12865?s=21

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[pefloresjr]

https://twitter.com/coloradopremier/stat...12865?s=21

Wvb player’s younger brother

I think Ashten would make a great middle blocker and should play volleyball and basketball like Kristin Fokl!  But I will be satisfied if she sticks with WBB.  

Cheers,
Pete F.

[VB Card]

Coming into the season, Ziaire was in the 5-7 range of mock drafts. The latest mock i've seen has him at #10 so he has dropped a few spots.

[FarEastStanfan]

I think it's way too early to make a judgement about Zaire for this season. He's had one great game, then a few clunkers, at least offensively. But if he comes out and finds his stride and puts together 3-4 really good all-around games, his stock will rise again.

[VB Card]

Stanford just landed their third 2021 commit today, Jarvis Moss, a 3 star SG from Concord, NC. He's a big time shooter and another nice late find by this coaching staff. 

https://247sports.com/Article/Jarvis-Mos...160492736/ 

[SamuelMcF]

If this season has taught us anything, it's that you can't have too much guard depth. Welcome and congrats Jarvis!

[JJJ]

Another write-up from Channel Tree Sports (Jarvis):

Much talk has been about the gaudy rankings of recent Stanford recruits (Ziaire Williams, and fellow '21s Isa Silva and Harrison Ingram), and Moss does not have that. But believe me, he will be an instant contributor.

I have watched multiple full games of his on YouTube in anticipation of this commitment. The 6'4" guard is one of the best shooters in North Carolina, and possibly the country. Think of what we have seen from Spencer Jones's offensive game in year two. The added ability to shoot off the dribble, to pull up in the mid-range, pump fake and take it to the rack, or even create a bit for others. All those things that Spencer has added this year are things that Jarvis can already do.

As a junior Jarvis shot 47% from behind the arc on roughly 7 attempts per game. That is insane. He was playing a more complementary role at that point, as his Cannon School is one of the top prep programs in the state and featured other D1 talents.

https://www.channeltreesports.com/post/83

[bl82]

The take from Grant Avalon of Channel Tree Sports above is very similar to mine. This kid is already in a very good place as a baller and he could really surprise a lot of people as a frosh. His ranking seems way out of place with his potential — at least based on the film I’ve seen. (And we really need not just shooters, pout all-around hoopers who can shoot and Jarvis sure looks like the latter to me.)

[BobK]

Well 82 I trust your judgement. We watched Fields when in HS and you saw greatness when others thought he'll never play much.