<![CDATA[The CardBoard - Covid-19]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/ Thu, 14 May 2026 04:48:45 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[New COVID forum at another site]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21376.html Mon, 11 Jan 2021 07:00:14 -0500 M T]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21376.html
      https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/

The board software will be a bit different (newer) than here but the capabilities will be similar.  I would have wanted a bit more time to play around with it, but since the COVID topic raised its head on one thread here again, I'm announcing it now.

Please respect the wishes of the CARDboard administration and don't discuss COVID in this thread.

(P.S. You're welcome to use the same user name in the new board as here, but please use a different password.)]]>
      https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/

The board software will be a bit different (newer) than here but the capabilities will be similar.  I would have wanted a bit more time to play around with it, but since the COVID topic raised its head on one thread here again, I'm announcing it now.

Please respect the wishes of the CARDboard administration and don't discuss COVID in this thread.

(P.S. You're welcome to use the same user name in the new board as here, but please use a different password.)]]> <![CDATA[KISS. . . And To All A Goodnight]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21319.html Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:56:12 -0500 Genuine Realist]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21319.html
(1) The last 'S' in KISS not only completes the acronym, but serves as a reminder to otherwise smart people that to invite complexity is to invite error.The more complex the system, the more inevitable the error. That inevitability makes everyone Stupid, no matter how smart they are. So keep it as simple as possible, which makes everyone in the system that much smarter. 

(2) Today is December 31st. We have been distributing covid vaccines for exactly 21 days, Naturally, all problems of allocation or distribution should have been solved long ago. Come to think of it, the task might better have been entrusted  to Safeway and Costco, which have a lot of experience with this sort of thing, rather than medical clinics and health services, which don't.

(3) We have been distributing flu shots en masse for decades. I had mine a few weeks ago. Anyone remember any issues with allocation formulas or distribution methods with respect to these? Neither do I - they are manufactured in bulk and administered per techniques everyone knows. I appreciate that the covid vaccine is far more delicate - but learning curves are learning curves. We are going to be beyond any question of formula, birthday or lottery, within a few weeks. 

(4) Meanwhile, SCC hit a new high today, 2500+. The vaccine can't come soon enough. But come it will, and - though not soon enough - awfully soon.

Thanks to everyone for all the insight and information/]]>
(1) The last 'S' in KISS not only completes the acronym, but serves as a reminder to otherwise smart people that to invite complexity is to invite error.The more complex the system, the more inevitable the error. That inevitability makes everyone Stupid, no matter how smart they are. So keep it as simple as possible, which makes everyone in the system that much smarter. 

(2) Today is December 31st. We have been distributing covid vaccines for exactly 21 days, Naturally, all problems of allocation or distribution should have been solved long ago. Come to think of it, the task might better have been entrusted  to Safeway and Costco, which have a lot of experience with this sort of thing, rather than medical clinics and health services, which don't.

(3) We have been distributing flu shots en masse for decades. I had mine a few weeks ago. Anyone remember any issues with allocation formulas or distribution methods with respect to these? Neither do I - they are manufactured in bulk and administered per techniques everyone knows. I appreciate that the covid vaccine is far more delicate - but learning curves are learning curves. We are going to be beyond any question of formula, birthday or lottery, within a few weeks. 

(4) Meanwhile, SCC hit a new high today, 2500+. The vaccine can't come soon enough. But come it will, and - though not soon enough - awfully soon.

Thanks to everyone for all the insight and information/]]> <![CDATA[A year ago]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21318.html Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:07:16 -0500 BostonCard]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21318.html https://apnews.com/article/00c78d1974410...67edbd86ec

I think Dec. 30 were the first reports of a "mysterious" illness affecting people in Wuhan, China.

BC]]> https://apnews.com/article/00c78d1974410...67edbd86ec

I think Dec. 30 were the first reports of a "mysterious" illness affecting people in Wuhan, China.

BC]]> <![CDATA[Stanford Medical Center Bungled Vaccine Again]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21307.html Wed, 30 Dec 2020 19:53:14 -0500 Farm93]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21307.html Hard to believe this type of thing could happen twice in just a couple of weeks.   

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/artic...836915.php

Does lead to a curious ethical question.   If given access to the vaccine prior to your anticipated vaccination window, would you take that invitation for a vaccination?  Would you decline the invitation?  And/or would you try to inform the administrators that they may have made an error?]]> Hard to believe this type of thing could happen twice in just a couple of weeks.   

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/artic...836915.php

Does lead to a curious ethical question.   If given access to the vaccine prior to your anticipated vaccination window, would you take that invitation for a vaccination?  Would you decline the invitation?  And/or would you try to inform the administrators that they may have made an error?]]> <![CDATA[Is there any data on long-haulers?]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21305.html Wed, 30 Dec 2020 18:34:12 -0500 Snorlax94]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21305.html
Also the first person I knew of who had Covid (who contacted us because our kids had had a play date in late February) is very wary of Covid because she had long-lasting symptoms even though her case was considered "mild" (and she is a slender, active person I'd guess in her thirties).

Is there any data on how common it is to a be long hauler? By long hauler, I mean people with difficulty breathing, difficulty exercising, body pain, or difficulty thinking/working for months and months afterwards.

If someone never goes to the hospital, but has myalgia for months afterwards, is it categorized as a "mild case that resolved at home?"

And the biggest question for me -- so far, the Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford vaccines have all touted themselves as having no severe cases -- a 100% protection against severe Covid (I think 1 person in the Pfizer study had blood o2 < 95% but went home and recovered). But are they tracking long-lasting "long-haulers" in the vaccine studies? TO what degree are the vaccines preventing symptoms that didn't require hospitalization but that could last for months? I suppose the efficacy rates (which test for any symptoms) cover this. If 95% fewer people vaccinated with Moderna have ANY symptoms, then that 95% couldn't be long-haulers. But what about that 5%? Were they equally likely, less likely, or even more likely to be long haulers? Is this tracked? What if they were all long-haulers? Or what if the vaccines also protected against long-haul symptoms equally at close to 100%? That would be important to know.

Because I'd consider the Oxford vaccine (if it turns out it's not causing transverse myelitis) with its 70% efficacy and 100% protection against severe cases, IF it protects well against long-haul symptoms. BUT if vaccinated people are still experiencing long-haul symptoms just as severely as non-vaccinated, and the Moderna vaccine has 95% efficacy against all cases and long-haul symptoms vs. 70% with the Oxford vaccine, that's a big difference.

Do we know how the vaccines perform against long-haul symptoms? Will we know, and if so, when?]]>
Also the first person I knew of who had Covid (who contacted us because our kids had had a play date in late February) is very wary of Covid because she had long-lasting symptoms even though her case was considered "mild" (and she is a slender, active person I'd guess in her thirties).

Is there any data on how common it is to a be long hauler? By long hauler, I mean people with difficulty breathing, difficulty exercising, body pain, or difficulty thinking/working for months and months afterwards.

If someone never goes to the hospital, but has myalgia for months afterwards, is it categorized as a "mild case that resolved at home?"

And the biggest question for me -- so far, the Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford vaccines have all touted themselves as having no severe cases -- a 100% protection against severe Covid (I think 1 person in the Pfizer study had blood o2 < 95% but went home and recovered). But are they tracking long-lasting "long-haulers" in the vaccine studies? TO what degree are the vaccines preventing symptoms that didn't require hospitalization but that could last for months? I suppose the efficacy rates (which test for any symptoms) cover this. If 95% fewer people vaccinated with Moderna have ANY symptoms, then that 95% couldn't be long-haulers. But what about that 5%? Were they equally likely, less likely, or even more likely to be long haulers? Is this tracked? What if they were all long-haulers? Or what if the vaccines also protected against long-haul symptoms equally at close to 100%? That would be important to know.

Because I'd consider the Oxford vaccine (if it turns out it's not causing transverse myelitis) with its 70% efficacy and 100% protection against severe cases, IF it protects well against long-haul symptoms. BUT if vaccinated people are still experiencing long-haul symptoms just as severely as non-vaccinated, and the Moderna vaccine has 95% efficacy against all cases and long-haul symptoms vs. 70% with the Oxford vaccine, that's a big difference.

Do we know how the vaccines perform against long-haul symptoms? Will we know, and if so, when?]]> <![CDATA[Dawn Wells - Dies from COVID-19]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21303.html Wed, 30 Dec 2020 16:23:27 -0500 Farm93]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21303.html
Dawn Wells died on December 30th at the age of 82.  

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dawn...836662.php]]>
Dawn Wells died on December 30th at the age of 82.  

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dawn...836662.php]]> <![CDATA[Most Admired Man in America]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21297.html Wed, 30 Dec 2020 10:38:23 -0500 Mick]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21297.html
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328193/dona...-2020.aspx]]>
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328193/dona...-2020.aspx]]> <![CDATA[Wow! Britain OKs Astra Zeneca Oxford Vaccine, holds no 2nd shot in reserve]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21296.html Wed, 30 Dec 2020 03:41:18 -0500 Snorlax94]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21296.html
It seems a inconsistemt though that the Russian and Chinese rushed, unpublished vaccinations were characterized as dangerous and unethical yet this move is “bold.”

I though Oxford wouldn’t even report until late January to early Feb and  would be approved in early Feb at the earliest. Have they even published Phase 3 preliminary data?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/world...eneca.html

LONDON — Britain became the first country on Wednesday to give emergency authorization to the coronavirus vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford, opening a path for a cheap and easy-to-store shot that much of the world will rely on to help end the pandemic.

In a bold decision to accelerate vaccinations, a British government advisory body directed clinicians to give as many people as possible their first dose of a coronavirus vaccine, without reserving supplies for planned second doses. 

Instead of administering the two shots within a month, clinicians will wait as long as 12 weeks to give people their second doses, the government said, a decision that applies to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine as well as the Pfizer-BioNTech shot that Britain authorized early this month]]>
It seems a inconsistemt though that the Russian and Chinese rushed, unpublished vaccinations were characterized as dangerous and unethical yet this move is “bold.”

I though Oxford wouldn’t even report until late January to early Feb and  would be approved in early Feb at the earliest. Have they even published Phase 3 preliminary data?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/world...eneca.html

LONDON — Britain became the first country on Wednesday to give emergency authorization to the coronavirus vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford, opening a path for a cheap and easy-to-store shot that much of the world will rely on to help end the pandemic.

In a bold decision to accelerate vaccinations, a British government advisory body directed clinicians to give as many people as possible their first dose of a coronavirus vaccine, without reserving supplies for planned second doses. 

Instead of administering the two shots within a month, clinicians will wait as long as 12 weeks to give people their second doses, the government said, a decision that applies to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine as well as the Pfizer-BioNTech shot that Britain authorized early this month]]> <![CDATA[Congressman elect from LA does of COVID]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21292.html Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:10:29 -0500 BostonCard]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21292.html https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/29...ess-452218

He was 41 and would have been sworn in Sunday.  May his memory be a blessing.

BC]]> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/29...ess-452218

He was 41 and would have been sworn in Sunday.  May his memory be a blessing.

BC]]> <![CDATA[ICU numbers]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21291.html Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:53:16 -0500 M T]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21291.html 0% ICU availability but with beds free:
Quote: [California Department of Public Health] says it calculates the adjusted ICU capacity based on the proportion of ICU patients who have COVID-19. "If a region is utilizing more than 30% of its ICU beds for COVID-19 positive patients, then its available ICU capacity is adjusted downward by 0.5% for each 1% over the 30% threshold," according to the CDPH office of public affairs.

So that mind-bending formula explains how the state has 0% capacity with more than 1,300 ICU beds still available — and maybe why an explanation has been so hard to come by.

SCC's % ICU available is the mathematical number, not some adjusted value.  As of today, there are 149 COVID positive + 4 PUI + 139 non-COVID in 302 ICU beds out of a total of 323 staffed beds today.    21 available beds is 6.5% of the 323.  SCC is reporting 7% ICU available.   49% (149/302) with COVID positive cases.   The state would consider SCC to have -3% availability.]]> 0% ICU availability but with beds free:
Quote: [California Department of Public Health] says it calculates the adjusted ICU capacity based on the proportion of ICU patients who have COVID-19. "If a region is utilizing more than 30% of its ICU beds for COVID-19 positive patients, then its available ICU capacity is adjusted downward by 0.5% for each 1% over the 30% threshold," according to the CDPH office of public affairs.

So that mind-bending formula explains how the state has 0% capacity with more than 1,300 ICU beds still available — and maybe why an explanation has been so hard to come by.

SCC's % ICU available is the mathematical number, not some adjusted value.  As of today, there are 149 COVID positive + 4 PUI + 139 non-COVID in 302 ICU beds out of a total of 323 staffed beds today.    21 available beds is 6.5% of the 323.  SCC is reporting 7% ICU available.   49% (149/302) with COVID positive cases.   The state would consider SCC to have -3% availability.]]> <![CDATA[Signs of the Times -Safeway]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21284.html Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:09:17 -0500 Genuine Realist]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21284.html
COMING SOON - COVID VACCINE!!! Our specially trained pharmacists, etc.

So I will be able to go to Safeway and get vaccinated between the greengrocer and the bakery.

I think mass vaccinations will occur far sooner and in greater scale than anyone imagines at present.]]>
COMING SOON - COVID VACCINE!!! Our specially trained pharmacists, etc.

So I will be able to go to Safeway and get vaccinated between the greengrocer and the bakery.

I think mass vaccinations will occur far sooner and in greater scale than anyone imagines at present.]]> <![CDATA[Asymptomatic infections]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21283.html Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:05:31 -0500 OutsiderFan]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21283.html
This seems exceptionally high to me, and really begs the question of how so many people can carry the virus and not develop the disease.  Does anyone here have any answers or insights into what - if any - common denominators have been identified that prevents people from developing the disease?

My instinct tells me it has something to do with blood type because nothing else makes sense. I know someone who just lost smell/taste and was tired with no fever, but that was still considered symptoms.]]>
This seems exceptionally high to me, and really begs the question of how so many people can carry the virus and not develop the disease.  Does anyone here have any answers or insights into what - if any - common denominators have been identified that prevents people from developing the disease?

My instinct tells me it has something to do with blood type because nothing else makes sense. I know someone who just lost smell/taste and was tired with no fever, but that was still considered symptoms.]]> <![CDATA[New covid chat room?]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21282.html Tue, 29 Dec 2020 04:09:17 -0500 akiddoc]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21282.html
I would hope that the Cardboard people would let us refer people there for a bit. 

I don't know how functional Google Chat is. I've never tried it.]]>
I would hope that the Cardboard people would let us refer people there for a bit. 

I don't know how functional Google Chat is. I've never tried it.]]> <![CDATA[SCC drop fools gold?]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21279.html Mon, 28 Dec 2020 17:59:45 -0500 OutsiderFan]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21279.html
It seems any jump to conclude the last few days' dip in cases - and maybe a slight reduction of hospitalized - was a sign things had peaked. might need to be reconsidered. We better hope there is no Christmas holiday surge, or we will be in real trouble around here.]]>
It seems any jump to conclude the last few days' dip in cases - and maybe a slight reduction of hospitalized - was a sign things had peaked. might need to be reconsidered. We better hope there is no Christmas holiday surge, or we will be in real trouble around here.]]> <![CDATA[Covid news sources?]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21275.html Mon, 28 Dec 2020 13:51:42 -0500 magnus]]> https://thecardboard.org/board/thread-21275.html
First, thank you to the powers that be and the folks who have made this covid board so useful.  Definitely lots of information and insight gleaned here first before it became common knowledge.

While we can't fully replace the insight, I was hoping to at least mitigate the informational aspect by asking you all for what your best sources of covid information are.  Do you have news sources, twitter feeds, journals, other forums, that you go to for up to date or insightful info?

I believe 2006alum published his list (or a feed) early on in this board's life but I am search inept.

I assume the board closing just means it'll be locked, but that we'll still be able to read it?  If so, post your useful links below.

Thanks in advance. =)]]>
First, thank you to the powers that be and the folks who have made this covid board so useful.  Definitely lots of information and insight gleaned here first before it became common knowledge.

While we can't fully replace the insight, I was hoping to at least mitigate the informational aspect by asking you all for what your best sources of covid information are.  Do you have news sources, twitter feeds, journals, other forums, that you go to for up to date or insightful info?

I believe 2006alum published his list (or a feed) early on in this board's life but I am search inept.

I assume the board closing just means it'll be locked, but that we'll still be able to read it?  If so, post your useful links below.

Thanks in advance. =)]]>