10-17-2016, 02:19 PM
Until this can be proven, I don't think the media ought to be reporting on it. But...hey, it makes for great headlines.
Kelly and Turley
10-17-2016, 02:20 PM
(10-17-2016, 02:07 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=15916.msg176286#msg176286 date=1476735168]
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However, if Stanford fell to 2-5 after several mediocre seasons, losing a hard fought game after having a ten point lead, and an opposing strength & conditioning staff member ran up to David Shaw to say "bye bye", I am pretty sure that most of us on the board would condemn such an action as being classless and wrong, rather than suggesting that Shaw simply grow thicker skin.
I agree -- if that's what happened (which is a big if) and if it was unprovoked, then that was classless and wrong. But if a coach from another team said something like that to David Shaw, we'd probably never hear about it, because Shaw would handle it much better than Kelly did.
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I don't care for Brian Kelly, his sideline demeanor or his constant blaming of his own players. But it's a stretch to criticize his handling of this situation or to call him "whiny". This is the relevant portion of the transcript from the post game press conference, in its entirety:
Q. After the game, what did the Stanford strength coach say to you that set you off?
BRIAN KELLY: Bye-bye.
Q. And that was it?
BRIAN KELLY: Yeah, bye-bye.
I suppose he could have said "no comment" which in some ways could be worse because it could leave the impression that what was said was vile. He was asked a direct question and answered it in the most succinct possible manner without elaborating, I don't think he could have "handled it better". He didn't bring up the issue, the confrontation was seen publicly and thus he was asked about it. If he doesn't answer the question then it probably becomes a bigger issue with more speculation that doesn't go away.
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Yes, Kelly handled the press-conference question well -- but my point wasn't about the press conference. The reason the reporter asked that question was because Kelly blew up on the field after the game. If you put Shaw in that situation, he wouldn't blow up.
(10-17-2016, 02:07 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=15916.msg176286#msg176286 date=1476735168]
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However, if Stanford fell to 2-5 after several mediocre seasons, losing a hard fought game after having a ten point lead, and an opposing strength & conditioning staff member ran up to David Shaw to say "bye bye", I am pretty sure that most of us on the board would condemn such an action as being classless and wrong, rather than suggesting that Shaw simply grow thicker skin.
I agree -- if that's what happened (which is a big if) and if it was unprovoked, then that was classless and wrong. But if a coach from another team said something like that to David Shaw, we'd probably never hear about it, because Shaw would handle it much better than Kelly did.
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I don't care for Brian Kelly, his sideline demeanor or his constant blaming of his own players. But it's a stretch to criticize his handling of this situation or to call him "whiny". This is the relevant portion of the transcript from the post game press conference, in its entirety:
Q. After the game, what did the Stanford strength coach say to you that set you off?
BRIAN KELLY: Bye-bye.
Q. And that was it?
BRIAN KELLY: Yeah, bye-bye.
I suppose he could have said "no comment" which in some ways could be worse because it could leave the impression that what was said was vile. He was asked a direct question and answered it in the most succinct possible manner without elaborating, I don't think he could have "handled it better". He didn't bring up the issue, the confrontation was seen publicly and thus he was asked about it. If he doesn't answer the question then it probably becomes a bigger issue with more speculation that doesn't go away.
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Yes, Kelly handled the press-conference question well -- but my point wasn't about the press conference. The reason the reporter asked that question was because Kelly blew up on the field after the game. If you put Shaw in that situation, he wouldn't blow up.
10-17-2016, 02:30 PM
(10-17-2016, 02:20 PM)Roberton3 link Wrote:Yes, Kelly handled the press-conference question well -- but my point wasn't about the press conference. The reason the reporter asked that question was because Kelly blew up on the field after the game. If you put Shaw in that situation, he wouldn't blow up.
Fair enough, I agree that Shaw is unlikely to get into confrontations with opposing staffers; even if he was provoked it behooves Kelly not to engage in that situation.
Note that last year Kelly got heated and shoved his strength coach (David Grimes) on the sideline during the Temple game, so maybe he just hates strength coaches.
(10-17-2016, 02:20 PM)Roberton3 link Wrote:Yes, Kelly handled the press-conference question well -- but my point wasn't about the press conference. The reason the reporter asked that question was because Kelly blew up on the field after the game. If you put Shaw in that situation, he wouldn't blow up.
Fair enough, I agree that Shaw is unlikely to get into confrontations with opposing staffers; even if he was provoked it behooves Kelly not to engage in that situation.
Note that last year Kelly got heated and shoved his strength coach (David Grimes) on the sideline during the Temple game, so maybe he just hates strength coaches.
I saw N-D fans on one of their message boards commenting that after the "bye bye," Kelly followed the Stanford strength coach, turned purple-faced (their description), and exploded. And for the N-D fans, apparently Kelly turning purple-faced and having a meltdown is not an uncommon experience.
And a reminder -- sheesh! -- all the coach said was "bye bye." It's the end of a game. The visiting team is leaving. A coach says, "bye bye." There can be a lot of tension and frustration in a game -- crowd noise, poor conditions, even illegal whistle blowing by fans which, as a TV commentator pointed out, isn't just cheating, it can be dangerous for a player to think a play is over when it hasn't ended yet. So coaches are very glad to get out of town with a win, and I'm sure slightly pointed "bye bye"s are often said because coaches are frustrated being a visitor, and are glad to be getting back home.
That said, I don't like even the appearance of poor sportsmanship. So whoever did it and and whatever their intent, it's worth following up internally: there's no point providing emotional ammunition to an opponent, and the drama reflects poorly on the university and just provides a distraction.
And a reminder -- sheesh! -- all the coach said was "bye bye." It's the end of a game. The visiting team is leaving. A coach says, "bye bye." There can be a lot of tension and frustration in a game -- crowd noise, poor conditions, even illegal whistle blowing by fans which, as a TV commentator pointed out, isn't just cheating, it can be dangerous for a player to think a play is over when it hasn't ended yet. So coaches are very glad to get out of town with a win, and I'm sure slightly pointed "bye bye"s are often said because coaches are frustrated being a visitor, and are glad to be getting back home.
That said, I don't like even the appearance of poor sportsmanship. So whoever did it and and whatever their intent, it's worth following up internally: there's no point providing emotional ammunition to an opponent, and the drama reflects poorly on the university and just provides a distraction.
(This post was last modified: 10-19-2016, 04:20 AM by Snorlax94.)
I saw N-D fans on one of their message boards commenting that after the "bye bye," Kelly followed the Stanford strength coach, turned purple-faced (their description), and exploded. And for the N-D fans, apparently Kelly turning purple-faced and having a meltdown is not an uncommon experience.
And a reminder -- sheesh! -- all the coach said was "bye bye." It's the end of a game. The visiting team is leaving. A coach says, "bye bye." There can be a lot of tension and frustration in a game -- crowd noise, poor conditions, even illegal whistle blowing by fans which, as a TV commentator pointed out, isn't just cheating, it can be dangerous for a player to think a play is over when it hasn't ended yet. So coaches are very glad to get out of town with a win, and I'm sure slightly pointed "bye bye"s are often said because coaches are frustrated being a visitor, and are glad to be getting back home.
That said, I don't like even the appearance of poor sportsmanship. So whoever did it and and whatever their intent, it's worth following up internally: there's no point providing emotional ammunition to an opponent, and the drama reflects poorly on the university and just provides a distraction.
And a reminder -- sheesh! -- all the coach said was "bye bye." It's the end of a game. The visiting team is leaving. A coach says, "bye bye." There can be a lot of tension and frustration in a game -- crowd noise, poor conditions, even illegal whistle blowing by fans which, as a TV commentator pointed out, isn't just cheating, it can be dangerous for a player to think a play is over when it hasn't ended yet. So coaches are very glad to get out of town with a win, and I'm sure slightly pointed "bye bye"s are often said because coaches are frustrated being a visitor, and are glad to be getting back home.
That said, I don't like even the appearance of poor sportsmanship. So whoever did it and and whatever their intent, it's worth following up internally: there's no point providing emotional ammunition to an opponent, and the drama reflects poorly on the university and just provides a distraction.
10-17-2016, 02:53 PM
The transcript of Kelly's remarks looks harmless, but I did hear a hint of melancholy and whininess from Kelly. His entire presser sounded like a man who knows he's defeated and soon to be fired.
The transcript of Kelly's remarks looks harmless, but I did hear a hint of melancholy and whininess from Kelly. His entire presser sounded like a man who knows he's defeated and soon to be fired.
10-17-2016, 03:01 PM
(10-17-2016, 02:53 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:The transcript of Kelly's remarks looks harmless, but I did hear a hint of melancholy and whininess from Kelly. His entire presser sounded like a man who knows he's defeated and soon to be fired.
Brian Kelly is always melancholy and whiny, even in the best of times.
It seems unlikely but certainly possible that he will be fired, but he did just sign a six year extension, so if he is fired we will enjoy ND paying big bucks for a long time to someone not to coach, just as they finish paying Charlie Weis for same. Weis was actually being paid more per annum these last few seasons not to coach than Kelly was being paid to coach.
(10-17-2016, 02:53 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:The transcript of Kelly's remarks looks harmless, but I did hear a hint of melancholy and whininess from Kelly. His entire presser sounded like a man who knows he's defeated and soon to be fired.
Brian Kelly is always melancholy and whiny, even in the best of times.
It seems unlikely but certainly possible that he will be fired, but he did just sign a six year extension, so if he is fired we will enjoy ND paying big bucks for a long time to someone not to coach, just as they finish paying Charlie Weis for same. Weis was actually being paid more per annum these last few seasons not to coach than Kelly was being paid to coach.
10-17-2016, 03:39 PM
(10-17-2016, 03:01 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Brian Kelly is always melancholy and whiny, even in the best of times.
Usually I find him sort of chipper/patter-y -- the kind of person who would otherwise be a top-level schmoozer in another life.
(10-17-2016, 03:01 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Brian Kelly is always melancholy and whiny, even in the best of times.
Usually I find him sort of chipper/patter-y -- the kind of person who would otherwise be a top-level schmoozer in another life.
10-17-2016, 10:34 PM
A little more information. John Wilner wrote in his weekly column in the San Jose Mercury News that it was an assistant strength coach. Which wouldn't make it Turley, who is the head strength coach. Unless that's just a mistake and he didn't mean to add the word assistant, but I doubt that because the columnist is usually pretty precise about these things. Quote below:
*** Lastly, on the reported post-game tiff between UND coach Brian Kelly and a Stanford assistant strength coach, who supposedly uttered bye bye to Kelly:
I wasnt there, I didnt hear or see it, Stanford hasnt commented, all I know is what I read and what we all read was Kellys version:
If true, its poor form on the part of the Stanford staffer horrifically poor form and I would assume someone (i.e., Shaw) has apologized.
*** Lastly, on the reported post-game tiff between UND coach Brian Kelly and a Stanford assistant strength coach, who supposedly uttered bye bye to Kelly:
I wasnt there, I didnt hear or see it, Stanford hasnt commented, all I know is what I read and what we all read was Kellys version:
If true, its poor form on the part of the Stanford staffer horrifically poor form and I would assume someone (i.e., Shaw) has apologized.
A little more information. John Wilner wrote in his weekly column in the San Jose Mercury News that it was an assistant strength coach. Which wouldn't make it Turley, who is the head strength coach. Unless that's just a mistake and he didn't mean to add the word assistant, but I doubt that because the columnist is usually pretty precise about these things. Quote below:
*** Lastly, on the reported post-game tiff between UND coach Brian Kelly and a Stanford assistant strength coach, who supposedly uttered bye bye to Kelly:
I wasnt there, I didnt hear or see it, Stanford hasnt commented, all I know is what I read and what we all read was Kellys version:
If true, its poor form on the part of the Stanford staffer horrifically poor form and I would assume someone (i.e., Shaw) has apologized.
*** Lastly, on the reported post-game tiff between UND coach Brian Kelly and a Stanford assistant strength coach, who supposedly uttered bye bye to Kelly:
I wasnt there, I didnt hear or see it, Stanford hasnt commented, all I know is what I read and what we all read was Kellys version:
If true, its poor form on the part of the Stanford staffer horrifically poor form and I would assume someone (i.e., Shaw) has apologized.
10-18-2016, 12:22 AM
Maybe it's the pussification of this country, but come on. It's football.
Kelly is the guy that just last week threw a long snapper under the bus because he struggled during a hurricane. He constantly screams at his players on the sidelines. If memory serves, a death of an assistant (kid taking videos, on a platform, in high winds I think) and a possible rape charge against a player and subsequent suicide of the accuser were on his watch. I think a dead fake girlfriend and cover up as well.
And he can't handle a "bye-bye" from an opposing assistant? Should have been "bye bye, you pitiful excuse of a human excrement".
Okay, I feel better now.
Kelly is the guy that just last week threw a long snapper under the bus because he struggled during a hurricane. He constantly screams at his players on the sidelines. If memory serves, a death of an assistant (kid taking videos, on a platform, in high winds I think) and a possible rape charge against a player and subsequent suicide of the accuser were on his watch. I think a dead fake girlfriend and cover up as well.
And he can't handle a "bye-bye" from an opposing assistant? Should have been "bye bye, you pitiful excuse of a human excrement".
Okay, I feel better now.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
Maybe it's the pussification of this country, but come on. It's football.
Kelly is the guy that just last week threw a long snapper under the bus because he struggled during a hurricane. He constantly screams at his players on the sidelines. If memory serves, a death of an assistant (kid taking videos, on a platform, in high winds I think) and a possible rape charge against a player and subsequent suicide of the accuser were on his watch. I think a dead fake girlfriend and cover up as well.
And he can't handle a "bye-bye" from an opposing assistant? Should have been "bye bye, you pitiful excuse of a human excrement".
Okay, I feel better now.
Kelly is the guy that just last week threw a long snapper under the bus because he struggled during a hurricane. He constantly screams at his players on the sidelines. If memory serves, a death of an assistant (kid taking videos, on a platform, in high winds I think) and a possible rape charge against a player and subsequent suicide of the accuser were on his watch. I think a dead fake girlfriend and cover up as well.
And he can't handle a "bye-bye" from an opposing assistant? Should have been "bye bye, you pitiful excuse of a human excrement".
Okay, I feel better now.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
10-18-2016, 01:30 AM
I don't take issue with your description of Brian Kelly.
Nonetheless. in my opinion, the remarks attributed to a Stanford coach are not good sportsmanship.
Geaux Cardinal!
Nonetheless. in my opinion, the remarks attributed to a Stanford coach are not good sportsmanship.
Geaux Cardinal!
I don't take issue with your description of Brian Kelly.
Nonetheless. in my opinion, the remarks attributed to a Stanford coach are not good sportsmanship.
Geaux Cardinal!
Nonetheless. in my opinion, the remarks attributed to a Stanford coach are not good sportsmanship.
Geaux Cardinal!
10-18-2016, 05:00 AM
(10-18-2016, 12:22 AM)cardcrimson link Wrote:Maybe it's the pussification of this country, but come on. It's football.
Kelly is the guy that just last week threw a long snapper under the bus because he struggled during a hurricane. He constantly screams at his players on the sidelines. If memory serves, a death of an assistant (kid taking videos, on a platform, in high winds I think) and a possible rape charge against a player and subsequent suicide of the accuser were on his watch. I think a dead fake girlfriend and cover up as well.
And he can't handle a "bye-bye" from an opposing assistant? Should have been "bye bye, you pitiful excuse of a human excrement".
Okay, I feel better now.
The boy who died was named Declan Sullivan. He was terrified, and tweeted as such (see below). He was on a scissor lift that is not supposed to be extended when winds are over 25 mph. That day, they were 50 mph, with gusts up to 60 mph. The area experienced the lowest, non-hurricane barometric pressure ever recorded in the continental United States.
![[Image: 18j56mcm2pxhcjpg.jpg]](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/18j56mcm2pxhcjpg.jpg)
Less than an hour after the second tweet, the lift blew over. It crashed onto a street. Kelly continued practice for 25 more minutes. The next practice was held as scheduled.
There are many reasons to dislike Notre Dame, and for this Catholic, this is the chart-topper.
http://deadspin.com/5675694/prelude-to-a...uldnt-have
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(10-18-2016, 12:22 AM)cardcrimson link Wrote:Maybe it's the pussification of this country, but come on. It's football.
Kelly is the guy that just last week threw a long snapper under the bus because he struggled during a hurricane. He constantly screams at his players on the sidelines. If memory serves, a death of an assistant (kid taking videos, on a platform, in high winds I think) and a possible rape charge against a player and subsequent suicide of the accuser were on his watch. I think a dead fake girlfriend and cover up as well.
And he can't handle a "bye-bye" from an opposing assistant? Should have been "bye bye, you pitiful excuse of a human excrement".
Okay, I feel better now.
The boy who died was named Declan Sullivan. He was terrified, and tweeted as such (see below). He was on a scissor lift that is not supposed to be extended when winds are over 25 mph. That day, they were 50 mph, with gusts up to 60 mph. The area experienced the lowest, non-hurricane barometric pressure ever recorded in the continental United States.
Less than an hour after the second tweet, the lift blew over. It crashed onto a street. Kelly continued practice for 25 more minutes. The next practice was held as scheduled.
There are many reasons to dislike Notre Dame, and for this Catholic, this is the chart-topper.
http://deadspin.com/5675694/prelude-to-a...uldnt-have
Audaces fortuna iuvat
10-18-2016, 12:23 PM
This just in from Shaw, according to ESPN:
And wow, Kelly really sounds awful based on Mick's prior post.
Quote:David Shaw would not confirm or deny whether a Stanford strength coach did indeed say something to rile up Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly after the Cardinal's 17-10 win. "I became aware of [Kelly's accusation] after the game," Shaw said. "I'm very comfortable with the conversations I had with our people about how we are going to react. We are going to represent ourselves in the right way... I don't want to get into it any further."
And wow, Kelly really sounds awful based on Mick's prior post.
This just in from Shaw, according to ESPN:
And wow, Kelly really sounds awful based on Mick's prior post.
Quote:David Shaw would not confirm or deny whether a Stanford strength coach did indeed say something to rile up Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly after the Cardinal's 17-10 win. "I became aware of [Kelly's accusation] after the game," Shaw said. "I'm very comfortable with the conversations I had with our people about how we are going to react. We are going to represent ourselves in the right way... I don't want to get into it any further."
And wow, Kelly really sounds awful based on Mick's prior post.
10-18-2016, 12:40 PM
Thanks Mick for the info.
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Notre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Notre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
Thanks Mick for the info.
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Notre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Notre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
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10-18-2016, 01:09 PM
(10-18-2016, 12:40 PM)cardcrimson link Wrote:Thanks Mick for the info.
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Votre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
This was despicable. The former ND player in question later went on to kill his girlfriend's dog. Yet this story, and a similar one at Tennessee involving Butch Jones never seemed to get much traction. In Butch Jones' case, a player said he was called a traitor by Jones for lending assistance to the victim, or alleged victim. Apparently Jones is now conveniently off the hook due to a settlement having been reached.Â
(10-18-2016, 12:40 PM)cardcrimson link Wrote:Thanks Mick for the info.
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Votre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
This was despicable. The former ND player in question later went on to kill his girlfriend's dog. Yet this story, and a similar one at Tennessee involving Butch Jones never seemed to get much traction. In Butch Jones' case, a player said he was called a traitor by Jones for lending assistance to the victim, or alleged victim. Apparently Jones is now conveniently off the hook due to a settlement having been reached.Â
(10-18-2016, 01:09 PM)ChicagoVisitor link Wrote:[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=15916.msg176386#msg176386 date=1476819603]
Thanks Mick for the info.
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Votre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
This was despicable. The former ND player in question later went on to kill his girlfriend's dog. Yet this story, and a similar one at Tennessee involving Butch Jones never seemed to get much traction. In Butch Jones' case, a player said he was called a traitor by Jones for lending assistance to the victim, or alleged victim. Apparently Jones is now conveniently off the hook due to a settlement having been reached.
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I've known a number of people go through UND, including my cousin (Stanford, '92 undergrad, got his MBA at Votre Dame), a number of attorneys, and most recently the son of a close friend of my father in law. The common refrain is that football players are gods on that campus and are essentially untouchable, everything forgiven and excused. Sort of like the worst of high school on steroids. If the band wants to mock UND, I'd probably avoid the potato famine and head straight for coverup of rape and unlawful death and inexcusably terrible attitudes towards non-football players.Â
And here's an oldie but a goodie: 21 Reasons to Hate Votre Dame Football:
http://lostlettermen.com/slideshow/21-re...hated-team
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(10-18-2016, 01:09 PM)ChicagoVisitor link Wrote:[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=15916.msg176386#msg176386 date=1476819603]
Thanks Mick for the info.
Here's a link to an article on the woman, Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself after she reported that she was raped by a Votre Dame football player. Alumni, police, players all seemingly smeared and threatened her. . . .Two tragedies around the football team for whom Kelly was head coach.
http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you
This was despicable. The former ND player in question later went on to kill his girlfriend's dog. Yet this story, and a similar one at Tennessee involving Butch Jones never seemed to get much traction. In Butch Jones' case, a player said he was called a traitor by Jones for lending assistance to the victim, or alleged victim. Apparently Jones is now conveniently off the hook due to a settlement having been reached.
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I've known a number of people go through UND, including my cousin (Stanford, '92 undergrad, got his MBA at Votre Dame), a number of attorneys, and most recently the son of a close friend of my father in law. The common refrain is that football players are gods on that campus and are essentially untouchable, everything forgiven and excused. Sort of like the worst of high school on steroids. If the band wants to mock UND, I'd probably avoid the potato famine and head straight for coverup of rape and unlawful death and inexcusably terrible attitudes towards non-football players.Â
And here's an oldie but a goodie: 21 Reasons to Hate Votre Dame Football:
http://lostlettermen.com/slideshow/21-re...hated-team
Audaces fortuna iuvat
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10-18-2016, 01:43 PM
Delicious Kelly satire here, w/reference to Love's TD and the '12 Stepfan Taylor near miss...
http://athlonsports.com/overtime/satire-...2-5-record
http://athlonsports.com/overtime/satire-...2-5-record
Delicious Kelly satire here, w/reference to Love's TD and the '12 Stepfan Taylor near miss...
http://athlonsports.com/overtime/satire-...2-5-record
http://athlonsports.com/overtime/satire-...2-5-record
10-18-2016, 02:13 PM
It's threads like these that need to live on in perpetuity so that the blind faith of Notre Shame fans can be kept in check. This is not a nice football program.
10-18-2016, 07:59 PM
After the Sullivan incident I polled each of the team video heads that joined me in the booths at Candlestick and the Oakland Coliseum for the remainder of the season. Each one said that they would have insisted on coming down from the lift. Sullivan was a kid and scared of the conditions and of the coaching staff. AD Swarbrick was at the practice and failed to act. Kelly and the staff including the paid professional adults in the video department made no move to bring Declan down. IMO all were culpable. OSHA failed to act post incident and so did the county DA's office. Many believe that the Sullivan family was bought off. An infinite blight on the university and the football program.
After the Sullivan incident I polled each of the team video heads that joined me in the booths at Candlestick and the Oakland Coliseum for the remainder of the season. Each one said that they would have insisted on coming down from the lift. Sullivan was a kid and scared of the conditions and of the coaching staff. AD Swarbrick was at the practice and failed to act. Kelly and the staff including the paid professional adults in the video department made no move to bring Declan down. IMO all were culpable. OSHA failed to act post incident and so did the county DA's office. Many believe that the Sullivan family was bought off. An infinite blight on the university and the football program.
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