[Bruce Wang]

Honest question. Our quarterbacks all seem to be highly regarding coming out of high school. And since Luck, for the most part, they've underperformed. Were they all over-hyped, or are we not coaching them up to this level effectively?

The bigger problem is passing on QBs like Goff, Rosen, Darnold, and Brett Rypien.  I realize it's the hardest position to project, but when they miss on three first round NFL QBs and possibly another NFL QB, talent evaluation might not be their forte.  The worst is taking NOBODY when Rosen, Darnold, and Rypien were interested in Stanford.

[Bruce Wang]

Honest question. Our quarterbacks all seem to be highly regarding coming out of high school. And since Luck, for the most part, they've underperformed. Were they all over-hyped, or are we not coaching them up to this level effectively?

The bigger problem is passing on QBs like Goff, Rosen, Darnold, and Brett Rypien.  I realize it's the hardest position to project, but when they miss on three first round NFL QBs and possibly another NFL QB, talent evaluation might not be their forte.  The worst is taking NOBODY when Rosen, Darnold, and Rypien were interested in Stanford.

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

[quote author=lex24 link=topic=17447.msg201650#msg201650 date=1505917572]
According to Merc. Shaw said he was "great at making his pre-snap reads."  I can't argue with that. Unfortunately post-snap ... Not so good.

Kinda reminds me of the basketball coach who said "We have some great outside shooters.  Unfortunately all our games are inside."
[/quote]

"I have a great short game. The problem is that my short game is off the tee."

-Bob Hope

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

[quote author=lex24 link=topic=17447.msg201650#msg201650 date=1505917572]
According to Merc. Shaw said he was "great at making his pre-snap reads."  I can't argue with that. Unfortunately post-snap ... Not so good.

Kinda reminds me of the basketball coach who said "We have some great outside shooters.  Unfortunately all our games are inside."
[/quote]

"I have a great short game. The problem is that my short game is off the tee."

-Bob Hope

[winflop]

[quote author=Spiny_Norman link=topic=17447.msg201701#msg201701 date=1505940971]
I will have more confidence in Chryst when he beats a team with a winning record which he has not done yet.

The issue at hand is neither an analysis of the teams Chryst beat (a phrase I hate in the team sport of football - even for a QB), nor whether anyone has particular confidence in him. The issue is whether there is a better option available. That would be the issue even if Chryst were playing well.

The problem is that it is pretty hard to come to a conclusion without seeing the other guys play, currently. In the past there have at least been enough rumours coming out of camp that gave us some idea (everybody basically knew that Luck would have been the best option in 2008 - lots of comments opinions floated around in the older days). Now, I just don't know.

The coaches certainly may have made the wrong choice, but at least they do have some relevant information on the matter.

As far as I can tell, the calls for Costello are primarily because nobody has seen him fail yet. I also have a hope he could come in and be a saviour, but the basis for that is mushy. I've only seen him play in some open scrimmages where he didn't look very good, and in the Rice game where he looked smooth but wasn't actually all that accurate (55% completions). But I am really holding on to that "looked smooth" thing.
[/quote]

What's better this year or what's better for the program beyond this year?

Chryst may be the better answer this year, but if he doesn't play better against UCLA I'm not sure this year is that important and I think we need to get Costello started on being more game-ready for next year.

I am not convinced Chryst is even the better answer this year, but Shaw still seems to be - until he isn't. I expect Costello to get a series maybe two in the first half, and if Chryst isn't getting the job done he will be benched at halftime.

[winflop]

[quote author=Spiny_Norman link=topic=17447.msg201701#msg201701 date=1505940971]
I will have more confidence in Chryst when he beats a team with a winning record which he has not done yet.

The issue at hand is neither an analysis of the teams Chryst beat (a phrase I hate in the team sport of football - even for a QB), nor whether anyone has particular confidence in him. The issue is whether there is a better option available. That would be the issue even if Chryst were playing well.

The problem is that it is pretty hard to come to a conclusion without seeing the other guys play, currently. In the past there have at least been enough rumours coming out of camp that gave us some idea (everybody basically knew that Luck would have been the best option in 2008 - lots of comments opinions floated around in the older days). Now, I just don't know.

The coaches certainly may have made the wrong choice, but at least they do have some relevant information on the matter.

As far as I can tell, the calls for Costello are primarily because nobody has seen him fail yet. I also have a hope he could come in and be a saviour, but the basis for that is mushy. I've only seen him play in some open scrimmages where he didn't look very good, and in the Rice game where he looked smooth but wasn't actually all that accurate (55% completions). But I am really holding on to that "looked smooth" thing.
[/quote]

What's better this year or what's better for the program beyond this year?

Chryst may be the better answer this year, but if he doesn't play better against UCLA I'm not sure this year is that important and I think we need to get Costello started on being more game-ready for next year.

I am not convinced Chryst is even the better answer this year, but Shaw still seems to be - until he isn't. I expect Costello to get a series maybe two in the first half, and if Chryst isn't getting the job done he will be benched at halftime.

[Goose]

I am not convinced Chryst is even the better answer this year, but Shaw still seems to be - until he isn't. I expect Costello to get a series maybe two in the first half, and if Chryst isn't getting the job done he will be benched at halftime.

I think it is real low probability that Shaw will bench Chryst, even if we are behind and not playing well. I doubt that they are getting Costello "ready to play", because Chryst needs all the reps he can get. The only way I can see that happening is if Chryst is turning the ball over a lot. Then, maybe. I also expect that we plan to run on UCLA, and only pass when we must. Their defense so so depleted up front, we should be able to do so. Watch me be wrong, but I think that is the right strategy. It also means that Chryst won't have to win the game. Last year, Burns had to win the game, and he + JJAW basically did (we needed a defensive stop, which we got in spades, but all we needed was a stop). We don't want to be there this year.

[Goose]

I am not convinced Chryst is even the better answer this year, but Shaw still seems to be - until he isn't. I expect Costello to get a series maybe two in the first half, and if Chryst isn't getting the job done he will be benched at halftime.

I think it is real low probability that Shaw will bench Chryst, even if we are behind and not playing well. I doubt that they are getting Costello "ready to play", because Chryst needs all the reps he can get. The only way I can see that happening is if Chryst is turning the ball over a lot. Then, maybe. I also expect that we plan to run on UCLA, and only pass when we must. Their defense so so depleted up front, we should be able to do so. Watch me be wrong, but I think that is the right strategy. It also means that Chryst won't have to win the game. Last year, Burns had to win the game, and he + JJAW basically did (we needed a defensive stop, which we got in spades, but all we needed was a stop). We don't want to be there this year.

[Goose]

[quote author=Spiny_Norman link=topic=17447.msg201701#msg201701 date=1505940971]
I will have more confidence in Chryst when he beats a team with a winning record which he has not done yet.

The issue at hand is neither an analysis of the teams Chryst beat (a phrase I hate in the team sport of football - even for a QB), nor whether anyone has particular confidence in him. The issue is whether there is a better option available. That would be the issue even if Chryst were playing well.

The problem is that it is pretty hard to come to a conclusion without seeing the other guys play, currently. In the past there have at least been enough rumours coming out of camp that gave us some idea (everybody basically knew that Luck would have been the best option in 2008 - lots of comments opinions floated around in the older days).
[/quote]
Except for Luck himself, who supposedly talked JH out of burning his shirt. I will take Luck's word for it, no matter what comments circulated at the time. It may have been he didn't want to get killed behind the line we had back then. Costello is a different case, there is no down side to playing him, no red shirt involved.

Now, I just don't know.

The coaches certainly may have made the wrong choice, but at least they do have some relevant information on the matter.

As far as I can tell, the calls for Costello are primarily because nobody has seen him fail yet. I also have a hope he could come in and be a saviour, but the basis for that is mushy. I've only seen him play in some open scrimmages where he didn't look very good, and in the Rice game where he looked smooth but wasn't actually all that accurate (55% completions). But I am really holding on to that "looked smooth" thing.

You are correct that his main advantage is that we haven't seen him fail yet. The "look smooth" thing could be genuine, or it could be due to no pressure because he knows he isn't going to be the "main man". Our main problem at QB this year, and last year, is accuracy. You can call the right play, get an open receiver, get adequate protection, and still throw a bad pass. We have had way, way, too much of that, and I think that is what kills us. If we took what was there, we would be OK. Maybe not great, maybe not National Championship material, but OK. Right now, and most of last year, we can't do that. This is our QB problem. Is Costello more accurate? I have very little data, but the data I have says no.

[Goose]

[quote author=Spiny_Norman link=topic=17447.msg201701#msg201701 date=1505940971]
I will have more confidence in Chryst when he beats a team with a winning record which he has not done yet.

The issue at hand is neither an analysis of the teams Chryst beat (a phrase I hate in the team sport of football - even for a QB), nor whether anyone has particular confidence in him. The issue is whether there is a better option available. That would be the issue even if Chryst were playing well.

The problem is that it is pretty hard to come to a conclusion without seeing the other guys play, currently. In the past there have at least been enough rumours coming out of camp that gave us some idea (everybody basically knew that Luck would have been the best option in 2008 - lots of comments opinions floated around in the older days).
[/quote]
Except for Luck himself, who supposedly talked JH out of burning his shirt. I will take Luck's word for it, no matter what comments circulated at the time. It may have been he didn't want to get killed behind the line we had back then. Costello is a different case, there is no down side to playing him, no red shirt involved.

Now, I just don't know.

The coaches certainly may have made the wrong choice, but at least they do have some relevant information on the matter.

As far as I can tell, the calls for Costello are primarily because nobody has seen him fail yet. I also have a hope he could come in and be a saviour, but the basis for that is mushy. I've only seen him play in some open scrimmages where he didn't look very good, and in the Rice game where he looked smooth but wasn't actually all that accurate (55% completions). But I am really holding on to that "looked smooth" thing.

You are correct that his main advantage is that we haven't seen him fail yet. The "look smooth" thing could be genuine, or it could be due to no pressure because he knows he isn't going to be the "main man". Our main problem at QB this year, and last year, is accuracy. You can call the right play, get an open receiver, get adequate protection, and still throw a bad pass. We have had way, way, too much of that, and I think that is what kills us. If we took what was there, we would be OK. Maybe not great, maybe not National Championship material, but OK. Right now, and most of last year, we can't do that. This is our QB problem. Is Costello more accurate? I have very little data, but the data I have says no.

[Mick]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=17447.msg201826#msg201826 date=1506042226]
I am not convinced Chryst is even the better answer this year, but Shaw still seems to be - until he isn't. I expect Costello to get a series maybe two in the first half, and if Chryst isn't getting the job done he will be benched at halftime.

I think it is real low probability that Shaw will bench Chryst, even if we are behind and not playing well. I doubt that they are getting Costello "ready to play", because Chryst needs all the reps he can get. The only way I can see that happening is if Chryst is turning the ball over a lot. Then, maybe. I also expect that we plan to run on UCLA, and only pass when we must. Their defense so so depleted up front, we should be able to do so. Watch me be wrong, but I think that is the right strategy. It also means that Chryst won't have to win the game. Last year, Burns had to win the game, and he + JJAW basically did (we needed a defensive stop, which we got in spades, but all we needed was a stop). We don't want to be there this year.
[/quote]


Costello has looked good against limited, backup competition.  Even Burns looked great when he started 8 for 8.  Let's assume the coaching staff knows enough football to get their starting QB right.

[Mick]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=17447.msg201826#msg201826 date=1506042226]
I am not convinced Chryst is even the better answer this year, but Shaw still seems to be - until he isn't. I expect Costello to get a series maybe two in the first half, and if Chryst isn't getting the job done he will be benched at halftime.

I think it is real low probability that Shaw will bench Chryst, even if we are behind and not playing well. I doubt that they are getting Costello "ready to play", because Chryst needs all the reps he can get. The only way I can see that happening is if Chryst is turning the ball over a lot. Then, maybe. I also expect that we plan to run on UCLA, and only pass when we must. Their defense so so depleted up front, we should be able to do so. Watch me be wrong, but I think that is the right strategy. It also means that Chryst won't have to win the game. Last year, Burns had to win the game, and he + JJAW basically did (we needed a defensive stop, which we got in spades, but all we needed was a stop). We don't want to be there this year.
[/quote]


Costello has looked good against limited, backup competition.  Even Burns looked great when he started 8 for 8.  Let's assume the coaching staff knows enough football to get their starting QB right.

[winflop]

Let's assume the coaching staff knows enough football to get their starting QB right.

I have faith that the coaches will get their starting QB right, but I have lost faith that they (Pritchard) can develop a quality starting QB

[winflop]

Let's assume the coaching staff knows enough football to get their starting QB right.

I have faith that the coaches will get their starting QB right, but I have lost faith that they (Pritchard) can develop a quality starting QB

[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=17447.msg201848#msg201848 date=1506081066]
Let's assume the coaching staff knows enough football to get their starting QB right.

I have faith that the coaches will get their starting QB right, but I have lost faith that they (Pritchard) can develop a quality starting QB
[/quote]

Right.  I should have mentioned that I was speaking solely of selection of starting QB from their existing candidates, I was not commenting on their inability to develop quarterbacks.

[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=17447.msg201848#msg201848 date=1506081066]
Let's assume the coaching staff knows enough football to get their starting QB right.

I have faith that the coaches will get their starting QB right, but I have lost faith that they (Pritchard) can develop a quality starting QB
[/quote]

Right.  I should have mentioned that I was speaking solely of selection of starting QB from their existing candidates, I was not commenting on their inability to develop quarterbacks.

[thunder_chik]

I'm willing to give Chryst the benefit of the doubt and hope that he and our team can "rise to the occasion" on Saturday.
I recall the 2012 U$C at Stanford game.  Before halftime, the home crowd (myself included) was screaming for Shaw to put the Sheriff in. Then Nunes came out and played a brilliant 2nd half for the win.  (My memory may be flawed, but that's how I choose to remember it!)
I'm usually a realist, but tomorrow I'd like to be an optimist  :)

[thunder_chik]

I'm willing to give Chryst the benefit of the doubt and hope that he and our team can "rise to the occasion" on Saturday.
I recall the 2012 U$C at Stanford game.  Before halftime, the home crowd (myself included) was screaming for Shaw to put the Sheriff in. Then Nunes came out and played a brilliant 2nd half for the win.  (My memory may be flawed, but that's how I choose to remember it!)
I'm usually a realist, but tomorrow I'd like to be an optimist  :)

[winflop]

I'm hoping for the best but I'm not expecting it.

UCLA is going stack 8/9 in the box all night and dare Chryst to win it. If he does great he gets to play next week. If he doesn't then it's time to begin the Costello era and look ahead to next season.

[winflop]

I'm hoping for the best but I'm not expecting it.

UCLA is going stack 8/9 in the box all night and dare Chryst to win it. If he does great he gets to play next week. If he doesn't then it's time to begin the Costello era and look ahead to next season.

[Hurlburt88]

Great opportunity for re-establishing tight end U.  I also will be watching for our o-linemen to be getting good punches to he mid sections of the rushers to minimize jumping and batting down passes. 

[Hurlburt88]

Great opportunity for re-establishing tight end U.  I also will be watching for our o-linemen to be getting good punches to he mid sections of the rushers to minimize jumping and batting down passes. 

[martyup]

Great opportunity for re-establishing tight end U.  I also will be watching for our o-linemen to be getting good punches to he mid sections of the rushers to minimize jumping and batting down passes.

[martyup]

Great opportunity for re-establishing tight end U.  I also will be watching for our o-linemen to be getting good punches to he mid sections of the rushers to minimize jumping and batting down passes.

[BostonCard]

Speaking of... anyone watch the amazon show Jean Claude Van Johnson?  I saw the pilot and it was pretty funny.

BC

[BostonCard]

Speaking of... anyone watch the amazon show Jean Claude Van Johnson?  I saw the pilot and it was pretty funny.

BC