[shinsengumi]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=17800.msg208603#msg208603 date=1509106706]

It was really maddening to hear Shaw claim OSU's DBs were "just making great plays on the ball" to explain away how poorly Chryst was.  We can only hope that when Shaw goes back and watches the ugliness on video, that he will see what everyone else saw, a QB who played a truly terrible game for which no excuses should ever be made.

Did he say that? Really bizarre and weird.
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I didn't really see it the same way as OF. Shaw was about as blunt as I've seen him when evaluating a specific player's game performance.

He started off the conference by stating quite explicitly that KC did not have a good game. Midway through the conference he said (paraphrasing) "we had the 4th and 10 route open on multiple instances in the game; to Donald Stewart, to Colby Parkinson - big targets; and to put it bluntly, KC missed those throws - it's a fact, it's on film".

Also, I do think the Beavs came to play and there is absolutely nothing wrong in giving some credit where credit is due.

I actually feel a little bit more positive on Costello's chances of starting a game now than I did post the UCLA and ASU games.

[shinsengumi]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=17800.msg208603#msg208603 date=1509106706]

It was really maddening to hear Shaw claim OSU's DBs were "just making great plays on the ball" to explain away how poorly Chryst was.  We can only hope that when Shaw goes back and watches the ugliness on video, that he will see what everyone else saw, a QB who played a truly terrible game for which no excuses should ever be made.

Did he say that? Really bizarre and weird.
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I didn't really see it the same way as OF. Shaw was about as blunt as I've seen him when evaluating a specific player's game performance.

He started off the conference by stating quite explicitly that KC did not have a good game. Midway through the conference he said (paraphrasing) "we had the 4th and 10 route open on multiple instances in the game; to Donald Stewart, to Colby Parkinson - big targets; and to put it bluntly, KC missed those throws - it's a fact, it's on film".

Also, I do think the Beavs came to play and there is absolutely nothing wrong in giving some credit where credit is due.

I actually feel a little bit more positive on Costello's chances of starting a game now than I did post the UCLA and ASU games.

[Mick]

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[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17800.msg208517#msg208517 date=1509081075]
lex, I actually thought the offensive line did a solid job in pass protection. Thoughts there?

They absolutely did which is what makes Chryst's god awful performance all the more troubling.
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Most QBs would envy the protection and time Chryst was afforded in the OSU game.  Yet, still, he was slow, indecisive, telegraphed his passes, and by all rights should have thrown at least 4 picks.

It was really maddening to hear Shaw claim OSU's DBs were "just making great plays on the ball" to explain away how poorly Chryst was.  We can only hope that when Shaw goes back and watches the ugliness on video, that he will see what everyone else saw, a QB who played a truly terrible game for which no excuses should ever be made.
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OSU has the #105 pass defense in the country.  And Chryst had a 25.5 QBR.

Wow.  Just...wow.

[Mick]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=17800.msg208597#msg208597 date=1509103044]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17800.msg208517#msg208517 date=1509081075]
lex, I actually thought the offensive line did a solid job in pass protection. Thoughts there?

They absolutely did which is what makes Chryst's god awful performance all the more troubling.
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Most QBs would envy the protection and time Chryst was afforded in the OSU game.  Yet, still, he was slow, indecisive, telegraphed his passes, and by all rights should have thrown at least 4 picks.

It was really maddening to hear Shaw claim OSU's DBs were "just making great plays on the ball" to explain away how poorly Chryst was.  We can only hope that when Shaw goes back and watches the ugliness on video, that he will see what everyone else saw, a QB who played a truly terrible game for which no excuses should ever be made.
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OSU has the #105 pass defense in the country.  And Chryst had a 25.5 QBR.

Wow.  Just...wow.

[OutsiderFan]

At the 3:35 mark: https://twitter.com/StanfordFball/status...2946086913

"Believing his own bullsh*t" as someone said in another thread, encapsulates it.  I didn't see receivers that were open and then the defense made great plays on the ball.  What I saw was a QB making it obvious who was getting the ball, waiting far too long to get the ball off, and when he did, laboring to get it to where he wanted it to go, or just throwing terrible balls period.

Bill Walsh would never play Chryst, because he embodies the #1 worst trait he believed a football player could have, which is inconsistency. You simply can't have a guy be a starter when he can go out and play like he did against Oregon one week, and then play like he did against Oregon State the next.  You simply can't build any kind of team consistency and set any standards for performance when you have someone who is so wildly inconsistent.

You're better off having someone you know for certain can't do something, but does other things consistently well, even if what he does well is limited, than have a guy who can do everything for the most part, just some of the time.  A coach like Shaw will say "I've seen him do this before, so I know he can do it," but he can't put the other players on the team who work their asses off, and the fans who invest emotional energy, money, and time, in a position to be dependent on such wild inconsistency, especially at the QB position.

[OutsiderFan]

At the 3:35 mark: https://twitter.com/StanfordFball/status...2946086913

"Believing his own bullsh*t" as someone said in another thread, encapsulates it.  I didn't see receivers that were open and then the defense made great plays on the ball.  What I saw was a QB making it obvious who was getting the ball, waiting far too long to get the ball off, and when he did, laboring to get it to where he wanted it to go, or just throwing terrible balls period.

Bill Walsh would never play Chryst, because he embodies the #1 worst trait he believed a football player could have, which is inconsistency. You simply can't have a guy be a starter when he can go out and play like he did against Oregon one week, and then play like he did against Oregon State the next.  You simply can't build any kind of team consistency and set any standards for performance when you have someone who is so wildly inconsistent.

You're better off having someone you know for certain can't do something, but does other things consistently well, even if what he does well is limited, than have a guy who can do everything for the most part, just some of the time.  A coach like Shaw will say "I've seen him do this before, so I know he can do it," but he can't put the other players on the team who work their asses off, and the fans who invest emotional energy, money, and time, in a position to be dependent on such wild inconsistency, especially at the QB position.