05-10-2020, 07:15 AM
Is there a polling function on The Cardboard? I'd like to see who actually believes we will see college football this fall.
COVID19 and Pac-12 Football Planning
Is there a polling function on The Cardboard? I'd like to see who actually believes we will see college football this fall.
05-10-2020, 07:50 AM
(05-10-2020, 07:15 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Is there a polling function on The Cardboard? I'd like to see who actually believes we will see college football this fall.
There is way too much time between now and the season for such a poll to really be meaningful.
But, assuming cases go down and there is a clear downward trend in the major metrics by July 1, I 100% believe we will see some form of college football this year. (Could be a few as 8 games spilling over into spring, and fans-in-the-stands would vary by state.)
The biggest obstacle right now to college football imo is that we get a new spike in cases/deaths in June. There is too much we don't understand about why there was a downward trend overall these last few weeks for me to say that such a spike is inevitable, but it really does seem like a strong possibility given the reopening policies in several states and-- much more alarming to me--the video/images of large numbers of people w/out masks ignoring the concept of social distancing in public places.
(05-10-2020, 07:15 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Is there a polling function on The Cardboard? I'd like to see who actually believes we will see college football this fall.
There is way too much time between now and the season for such a poll to really be meaningful.
But, assuming cases go down and there is a clear downward trend in the major metrics by July 1, I 100% believe we will see some form of college football this year. (Could be a few as 8 games spilling over into spring, and fans-in-the-stands would vary by state.)
The biggest obstacle right now to college football imo is that we get a new spike in cases/deaths in June. There is too much we don't understand about why there was a downward trend overall these last few weeks for me to say that such a spike is inevitable, but it really does seem like a strong possibility given the reopening policies in several states and-- much more alarming to me--the video/images of large numbers of people w/out masks ignoring the concept of social distancing in public places.
05-10-2020, 08:12 AM
(05-10-2020, 07:50 AM)needle Wrote:(05-10-2020, 07:15 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Is there a polling function on The Cardboard? I'd like to see who actually believes we will see college football this fall.
There is way too much time between now and the season for such a poll to really be meaningful.
But, assuming cases go down and there is a clear downward trend in the major metrics by July 1, I 100% believe we will see some form of college football this year. (Could be a few as 8 games spilling over into spring, and fans-in-the-stands would vary by state.)
The biggest obstacle right now to college football imo is that we get a new spike in cases/deaths in June. There is too much we don't understand about why there was a downward trend overall these last few weeks for me to say that such a spike is inevitable, but it really does seem like a strong possibility given the reopening policies in several states and-- much more alarming to me--the video/images of large numbers of people w/out masks ignoring the concept of social distancing in public places.
I'm not looking for meaningful results. I just want to read the temperature of the room.
My prediction: no football and UCF wins another national championship.
(05-10-2020, 07:50 AM)needle Wrote:(05-10-2020, 07:15 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Is there a polling function on The Cardboard? I'd like to see who actually believes we will see college football this fall.
There is way too much time between now and the season for such a poll to really be meaningful.
But, assuming cases go down and there is a clear downward trend in the major metrics by July 1, I 100% believe we will see some form of college football this year. (Could be a few as 8 games spilling over into spring, and fans-in-the-stands would vary by state.)
The biggest obstacle right now to college football imo is that we get a new spike in cases/deaths in June. There is too much we don't understand about why there was a downward trend overall these last few weeks for me to say that such a spike is inevitable, but it really does seem like a strong possibility given the reopening policies in several states and-- much more alarming to me--the video/images of large numbers of people w/out masks ignoring the concept of social distancing in public places.
I'm not looking for meaningful results. I just want to read the temperature of the room.
My prediction: no football and UCF wins another national championship.
05-10-2020, 08:51 AM
How will California be comfortable about allowing people from outside the state coming in?
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
How will California be comfortable about allowing people from outside the state coming in?
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
Larry Scott sounding bullish on football this fall,
https://www.kpcnews.com/sports/national/...c4eb3.html
NCAA president Mark Emmert's seems less bullish.
https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-Footb...146970770/
More from Larry Scott
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/08/p...s-to-play/
Quote:"With less than three months before the traditional start of college football training camps, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday he’s become more optimistic that a full season will be played this fall.
“It’s obviously a dynamic situation and we’re becoming more informed all the time,” Scott told the Star after the conference wrapped up its weeklong spring meetings. “But sitting here today, I’m feeling optimistic, like we’re gonna have a football season that will start on time. I’m more optimistic today than I was, say, a week ago.”
Scott said his hopes are now higher for three reasons: That several Pac-12 schools (including Arizona) have announced plans to reopen campuses in the fall, that the NFL didn’t receive any government pushback when announcing its 2020 schedule this week and that he’s received positive feedback from medical experts around the conference’s schools about protocols that could make it work."
https://www.kpcnews.com/sports/national/...c4eb3.html
NCAA president Mark Emmert's seems less bullish.
Quote:"NCAA president Mark Emmert said he has spoken to hundreds of presidents and commissioners in recent weeks and he believes there is consensus among them about the upcoming season.
"All of the commissioners and every president that I've talked to is in clear agreement: If you don't have students on campus, you don't have student-athletes on campus," Emmert said. "That doesn't mean [the school] has to be up and running in the full normal model, but you have to treat the health and well-being of the athletes at least as much as the regular students. ... If a school doesn't reopen, then they're not going to be playing sports. It's really that simple."
Emmert went on to say that he expects some sort of decision or plan to be made regarding college football by the Fourth of July."
https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-Footb...146970770/
More from Larry Scott
Quote:"Scott also addressed the woolly mammoth in the room: The potential for one or more Pac-12 universities to refuse to play this fall.
Would the conference leave someone behind?
Could one school squash the season for the collective?
Might we see the Pac-11 … or the Pac-9?
“We’ll have to cross that bridge when we get there, but I don’t expect that,” he said.
Scott said he has spoken with each president/chancellor individually since the shutdown began and believes there is a commitment to move forward as one."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/08/p...s-to-play/
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
Larry Scott sounding bullish on football this fall,
https://www.kpcnews.com/sports/national/...c4eb3.html
NCAA president Mark Emmert's seems less bullish.
https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-Footb...146970770/
More from Larry Scott
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/08/p...s-to-play/
Quote:"With less than three months before the traditional start of college football training camps, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday he’s become more optimistic that a full season will be played this fall.
“It’s obviously a dynamic situation and we’re becoming more informed all the time,” Scott told the Star after the conference wrapped up its weeklong spring meetings. “But sitting here today, I’m feeling optimistic, like we’re gonna have a football season that will start on time. I’m more optimistic today than I was, say, a week ago.”
Scott said his hopes are now higher for three reasons: That several Pac-12 schools (including Arizona) have announced plans to reopen campuses in the fall, that the NFL didn’t receive any government pushback when announcing its 2020 schedule this week and that he’s received positive feedback from medical experts around the conference’s schools about protocols that could make it work."
https://www.kpcnews.com/sports/national/...c4eb3.html
NCAA president Mark Emmert's seems less bullish.
Quote:"NCAA president Mark Emmert said he has spoken to hundreds of presidents and commissioners in recent weeks and he believes there is consensus among them about the upcoming season.
"All of the commissioners and every president that I've talked to is in clear agreement: If you don't have students on campus, you don't have student-athletes on campus," Emmert said. "That doesn't mean [the school] has to be up and running in the full normal model, but you have to treat the health and well-being of the athletes at least as much as the regular students. ... If a school doesn't reopen, then they're not going to be playing sports. It's really that simple."
Emmert went on to say that he expects some sort of decision or plan to be made regarding college football by the Fourth of July."
https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-Footb...146970770/
More from Larry Scott
Quote:"Scott also addressed the woolly mammoth in the room: The potential for one or more Pac-12 universities to refuse to play this fall.
Would the conference leave someone behind?
Could one school squash the season for the collective?
Might we see the Pac-11 … or the Pac-9?
“We’ll have to cross that bridge when we get there, but I don’t expect that,” he said.
Scott said he has spoken with each president/chancellor individually since the shutdown began and believes there is a commitment to move forward as one."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/08/p...s-to-play/
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(05-10-2020, 08:51 AM)chrisk Wrote: How will California be comfortable about allowing people from outside the state coming in?
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
Even with a quarantine — and I hope CA quarantines if it is needed — you can always make accommodations for a small number of people with same-day tests.
The NCAA could require all athletes to be tested weekly, and additionally CA could require tests when a team arrives.
There probably won’t be enough testing capacity like this to let 100,000 fly in to see Disneyland every day, but I bet they would test football players and pro athletes this rigorously.
(This post was last modified: 05-10-2020, 03:23 PM by Snorlax94.)
(05-10-2020, 08:51 AM)chrisk Wrote: How will California be comfortable about allowing people from outside the state coming in?
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
Even with a quarantine — and I hope CA quarantines if it is needed — you can always make accommodations for a small number of people with same-day tests.
The NCAA could require all athletes to be tested weekly, and additionally CA could require tests when a team arrives.
There probably won’t be enough testing capacity like this to let 100,000 fly in to see Disneyland every day, but I bet they would test football players and pro athletes this rigorously.
05-10-2020, 04:07 PM
(05-10-2020, 03:19 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:(05-10-2020, 08:51 AM)chrisk Wrote: How will California be comfortable about allowing people from outside the state coming in?
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
Even with a quarantine — and I hope CA quarantines if it is needed — you can always make accommodations for a small number of people with same-day tests.
The NCAA could require all athletes to be tested weekly, and additionally CA could require tests when a team arrives.
There probably won’t be enough testing capacity like this to let 100,000 fly in to see Disneyland every day, but I bet they would test football players and pro athletes this rigorously.
With the non-zero amount of false negatives that every one of our tests seems to have, it seems dangerous to rely on a single test to determine positive or not, especially in spreader environments.
(05-10-2020, 03:19 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:(05-10-2020, 08:51 AM)chrisk Wrote: How will California be comfortable about allowing people from outside the state coming in?
In Taiwan, people arriving from outside are immediately put into 14 day enforced quarantine. The same is true in Hong Kong and China. All of those countries have had limited or no transmission for quite a while and they don’t want it to change.
Ironically, the US outside the Pacific Coast is still like the Wild West and is opening up without adequate controls.
Even with a quarantine — and I hope CA quarantines if it is needed — you can always make accommodations for a small number of people with same-day tests.
The NCAA could require all athletes to be tested weekly, and additionally CA could require tests when a team arrives.
There probably won’t be enough testing capacity like this to let 100,000 fly in to see Disneyland every day, but I bet they would test football players and pro athletes this rigorously.
With the non-zero amount of false negatives that every one of our tests seems to have, it seems dangerous to rely on a single test to determine positive or not, especially in spreader environments.
Even in folks being tested regularly, say every week for a professional sports team, in an open society that has covid in the community, a few cases will sneak in. And then you have the Rudy Gobert situation again. Maybe then you go to a daily regimen for the teams of exposed players once it pops up, and hope more don't come back positive so you can still field a squad.... I don't know, seems like a tenuous plan. Fantasy will be interesting.....bummer if your star QB is a late covid scratch.
And yeah, false negatives a brobdingnagian problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
And yeah, false negatives a brobdingnagian problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
Even in folks being tested regularly, say every week for a professional sports team, in an open society that has covid in the community, a few cases will sneak in. And then you have the Rudy Gobert situation again. Maybe then you go to a daily regimen for the teams of exposed players once it pops up, and hope more don't come back positive so you can still field a squad.... I don't know, seems like a tenuous plan. Fantasy will be interesting.....bummer if your star QB is a late covid scratch.
And yeah, false negatives a brobdingnagian problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
And yeah, false negatives a brobdingnagian problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
05-10-2020, 08:48 PM
(05-10-2020, 04:13 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: Even in folks being tested regularly, say every week for a professional sports team, in an open society that has covid in the community, a few cases will sneak in. And then you have the Rudy Gobert situation again. Maybe then you go to a daily regimen for the teams of exposed players once it pops up, and hope more don't come back positive so you can still field a squad.... I don't know, seems like a tenuous plan. Fantasy will be interesting.....bummer if your star QB is a late covid scratch.
And yeah, false negatives a of immense proportions problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
I wonder if there is anyone advocating for college football games but not a season.
With a season--teams playing lots of other teams, often in consecutive weeks--the problems with false negatives can have cascading effects, as an infected player infects players on an opposing team and because of false negatives a third teams can get exposed (and then a fourth).
But if teams played once a month, then some of those concerns go away as you can test and re-test over a long enough time period that can you can be much more certain about whether or not there is an outbreak on your team.
(05-10-2020, 04:13 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: Even in folks being tested regularly, say every week for a professional sports team, in an open society that has covid in the community, a few cases will sneak in. And then you have the Rudy Gobert situation again. Maybe then you go to a daily regimen for the teams of exposed players once it pops up, and hope more don't come back positive so you can still field a squad.... I don't know, seems like a tenuous plan. Fantasy will be interesting.....bummer if your star QB is a late covid scratch.
And yeah, false negatives a of immense proportions problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
I wonder if there is anyone advocating for college football games but not a season.
With a season--teams playing lots of other teams, often in consecutive weeks--the problems with false negatives can have cascading effects, as an infected player infects players on an opposing team and because of false negatives a third teams can get exposed (and then a fourth).
But if teams played once a month, then some of those concerns go away as you can test and re-test over a long enough time period that can you can be much more certain about whether or not there is an outbreak on your team.
05-10-2020, 10:48 PM
JustAnotherFan - The Cardboard BBS system does have a polling function but I encountered a series of errors when I last tried to use it. I'm not sure if that was user error or a code error so give it a try and see if you have better results. When you select the "Post a Thread" option to create a new thread one of the options is to create a poll. Give it a try!
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
JustAnotherFan - The Cardboard BBS system does have a polling function but I encountered a series of errors when I last tried to use it. I'm not sure if that was user error or a code error so give it a try and see if you have better results. When you select the "Post a Thread" option to create a new thread one of the options is to create a poll. Give it a try!
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
05-10-2020, 11:39 PM
(05-10-2020, 08:48 PM)needle Wrote:(05-10-2020, 04:13 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: Even in folks being tested regularly, say every week for a professional sports team, in an open society that has covid in the community, a few cases will sneak in. And then you have the Rudy Gobert situation again. Maybe then you go to a daily regimen for the teams of exposed players once it pops up, and hope more don't come back positive so you can still field a squad.... I don't know, seems like a tenuous plan. Fantasy will be interesting.....bummer if your star QB is a late covid scratch.
And yeah, false negatives a of immense proportions problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
I wonder if there is anyone advocating for college football games but not a season.
With a season--teams playing lots of other teams, often in consecutive weeks--the problems with false negatives can have cascading effects, as an infected player infects players on an opposing team and because of false negatives a third teams can get exposed (and then a fourth).
But if teams played once a month, then some of those concerns go away as you can test and re-test over a long enough time period that can you can be much more certain about whether or not there is an outbreak on your team.
I suggested that the FBS teams in California play a season within the state, home and home.
(05-10-2020, 08:48 PM)needle Wrote:(05-10-2020, 04:13 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: Even in folks being tested regularly, say every week for a professional sports team, in an open society that has covid in the community, a few cases will sneak in. And then you have the Rudy Gobert situation again. Maybe then you go to a daily regimen for the teams of exposed players once it pops up, and hope more don't come back positive so you can still field a squad.... I don't know, seems like a tenuous plan. Fantasy will be interesting.....bummer if your star QB is a late covid scratch.
And yeah, false negatives a of immense proportions problem. Probably somewhere between 5 and 30% depending on the test, the time of the test in course of disease, and the administration method.
I wonder if there is anyone advocating for college football games but not a season.
With a season--teams playing lots of other teams, often in consecutive weeks--the problems with false negatives can have cascading effects, as an infected player infects players on an opposing team and because of false negatives a third teams can get exposed (and then a fourth).
But if teams played once a month, then some of those concerns go away as you can test and re-test over a long enough time period that can you can be much more certain about whether or not there is an outbreak on your team.
I suggested that the FBS teams in California play a season within the state, home and home.
05-10-2020, 11:54 PM
ALL California FBS teams or just those in the Pac 12? Some of our Cal State neighbors would love your suggestion as worded (San Jose State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Davis, etc).
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
ALL California FBS teams or just those in the Pac 12? Some of our Cal State neighbors would love your suggestion as worded (San Jose State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Davis, etc).
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
05-11-2020, 06:45 AM
(05-10-2020, 10:48 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: JustAnotherFan - The Cardboard BBS system does have a polling function but I encountered a series of errors when I last tried to use it. I'm not sure if that was user error or a code error so give it a try and see if you have better results. When you select the "Post a Thread" option to create a new thread one of the options is to create a poll. Give it a try!
Don't give it a try! It's broken and the admins aren't sure how to fix it. I think they'll let you know if/when it ever gets fixed.
In the meantime, making a google form isn't terribly difficult.
(05-10-2020, 10:48 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: JustAnotherFan - The Cardboard BBS system does have a polling function but I encountered a series of errors when I last tried to use it. I'm not sure if that was user error or a code error so give it a try and see if you have better results. When you select the "Post a Thread" option to create a new thread one of the options is to create a poll. Give it a try!
Don't give it a try! It's broken and the admins aren't sure how to fix it. I think they'll let you know if/when it ever gets fixed.
In the meantime, making a google form isn't terribly difficult.
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