(06-27-2020, 06:20 PM)Goose Wrote: (06-27-2020, 06:01 PM)burger Wrote: Also a good question. I can only speak to my county (Sacramento). Our county official has been saying that "nearly all" (or similar language) of the cases so far have been traced to family gatherings, so they just need to encourage people to not have those.
In reality, there is no f***ing way that they have traced all or nearly all of the cases.
Are you sure? I ask because San Mateo County says the same thing, and have been saying it right along. If it is true, things are actually better than we thought, as all those in the family gathering were quarantined, right??? If it isn't true, it is doubly bad because a) they are lying to us and b) they have no reasonable hope of containment.
Isn't this the big question -- where are all these cases coming from?
I worried part of it might be the demonstrations, and, indirectly, they may have played a role. But the hot spots nationally are in places like Orange County in CA and Maricopa County in Arizona, which are not exactly ground zero for the #BLM movement.
I mean, I don't know if it's construction workers or protesters, but as Goose notes, county health officers keep pointing at bars and social gatherings, so, why would I claim they are lying and insist on my own, separate theory without any data?
An anecdotal case from SCC -- the Mercury News wrote an article about how all the Aqui Tex-Mex restaurants have closed their outdoor seating region-wide after staff members tested positive at an Aqui (which are popular Tex-Mex restaurants, but are also well known as drinking spots).
And there are so many more anecdotal cases supporting bars and parties -- the mother lode being the bar in East Lansing where 85 (!!!!!) patrons so far have contracted Covid! That is the biggest super-spreader I've heard of recently, and it's beyond a super-spreader event, it's a super-spreader location. I'd be curious to have epidemiologists study that bar -- its layout, airflows, etc., so we can learn everything what not to do.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/us/michig...index.html
Then my wife tells me her co-workers were looking for a park so they could catch up -- the count had risen to 12 people who wanted to meet (although ultimately fewer came). They said they'd wear masks, but in the picture on Facebook, no masks. That's up to 12 households intermingling without masks.
Enforcing this in downtowns would be easier, you can close parking and have police enforce crowding, loitering and face mask rules.
But how do you stop 15 twenty-somethings from having a house party at someone's pad (a recent reported super spreader event)? How do you stop a family congregating indoors to celebrate Mother's Day, Father's Day, Easter, Graduation or someone's birthday? (Several recent reported super spreader events)? How do you stop old friends from multiple households meeting up for drinks,and not wearing masks, being careless and expectorating a lot (it struck me that drunk talking is a lot like singing), because I am seeing a ton of this on weekend nights in places in popular, crowded downtowns.
The statements from public health officers, anecdotal reports and personal observations all point to a ton of people hanging out, eating and drinking, often without masks, often inside someone's home. How do you stop it?
Off the top of my head -- how about a state-wide 9pm curfew, except for essential work. Because the Fourth of July and a possible 4 day weekend of partying and reuniting starts in less than a week...