06-03-2020, 05:51 PM
Merged what had become two identical thread topics.
The new plan to start Stanford in September
06-05-2020, 07:14 AM
I may have missed it . . . does anyone know if for the in-person classes they will require masks?
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I may have missed it . . . does anyone know if for the in-person classes they will require masks?
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06-05-2020, 07:30 AM
(06-05-2020, 07:14 AM)Hurlburt88 Wrote: I may have missed it . . . does anyone know if for the in-person classes they will require masks?That's going to be a given.
Recommended by CDC
Likely required by CA Governor & SCC Health
Certainly required by Stanford University
FWIW - Many/most public school districts in CA are going to have mask requirements for classrooms. Some have already started to reach out to parents to make sure they are preparing for all of the new pandemic related rules.
(06-05-2020, 07:14 AM)Hurlburt88 Wrote: I may have missed it . . . does anyone know if for the in-person classes they will require masks?That's going to be a given.
Recommended by CDC
Likely required by CA Governor & SCC Health
Certainly required by Stanford University
FWIW - Many/most public school districts in CA are going to have mask requirements for classrooms. Some have already started to reach out to parents to make sure they are preparing for all of the new pandemic related rules.
06-05-2020, 07:57 AM
There was a short item in the Chronicle today about W. Wirginia planning to have on campus classes. Goes on to say that by opening early and keeping kids on campus until Thanksgiving then football can also open up. Glad to see that the Big 12 has its priorities.
In order to hold an in-person class under Santa Clara Country health regulations, students will need to be masked and sitting six feet apart. I've seen the studies on my campus that show a typical classroom that normally can hold 45 will only be able to hold 12.
My guess is that face to face instruction will be limited to labs, seminars, graduate courses, and other fairly small groups while nearly all lecture courses will be online. I also would guess that the instructors for those in-person courses will also have a laptop in front of them with zoomed in students participating remotely--making it a kind of hybridization. That is the only way I can foresee half the students being on campus and half off campus and yet giving both equal access.
I should note that I have no particular knowledge about Stanford's plans other than what I read, but I have been close to the planning process at SJSU, and given that we are both under the same county health order I can't see a lot of difference other than the fact that Stanford has a lot more money and resources to implement its solutions.
By the way, if we are eventually allowed to watch indoor sports like volleyball and basketball, I would anticipate it would be with similar restrictions. Masks and 6 feet apart. Maples would probably be limited to 1000 people, there would probably be no concessions, and the lines to get in would be like grocery store lines are now--people standing on marks six feet apart. The TV experience would probably be superior. And since the planners know that, I doubt they will even try to do it. I'd anticipate sports being a broadcast-only sort of thing for some time to come. But we have seen that before--as when they play games in those Thanksgiving tournaments in out-of-the-way places, sometimes with attendance so low it almost seems they are socially distanced!
My guess is that face to face instruction will be limited to labs, seminars, graduate courses, and other fairly small groups while nearly all lecture courses will be online. I also would guess that the instructors for those in-person courses will also have a laptop in front of them with zoomed in students participating remotely--making it a kind of hybridization. That is the only way I can foresee half the students being on campus and half off campus and yet giving both equal access.
I should note that I have no particular knowledge about Stanford's plans other than what I read, but I have been close to the planning process at SJSU, and given that we are both under the same county health order I can't see a lot of difference other than the fact that Stanford has a lot more money and resources to implement its solutions.
By the way, if we are eventually allowed to watch indoor sports like volleyball and basketball, I would anticipate it would be with similar restrictions. Masks and 6 feet apart. Maples would probably be limited to 1000 people, there would probably be no concessions, and the lines to get in would be like grocery store lines are now--people standing on marks six feet apart. The TV experience would probably be superior. And since the planners know that, I doubt they will even try to do it. I'd anticipate sports being a broadcast-only sort of thing for some time to come. But we have seen that before--as when they play games in those Thanksgiving tournaments in out-of-the-way places, sometimes with attendance so low it almost seems they are socially distanced!
In order to hold an in-person class under Santa Clara Country health regulations, students will need to be masked and sitting six feet apart. I've seen the studies on my campus that show a typical classroom that normally can hold 45 will only be able to hold 12.
My guess is that face to face instruction will be limited to labs, seminars, graduate courses, and other fairly small groups while nearly all lecture courses will be online. I also would guess that the instructors for those in-person courses will also have a laptop in front of them with zoomed in students participating remotely--making it a kind of hybridization. That is the only way I can foresee half the students being on campus and half off campus and yet giving both equal access.
I should note that I have no particular knowledge about Stanford's plans other than what I read, but I have been close to the planning process at SJSU, and given that we are both under the same county health order I can't see a lot of difference other than the fact that Stanford has a lot more money and resources to implement its solutions.
By the way, if we are eventually allowed to watch indoor sports like volleyball and basketball, I would anticipate it would be with similar restrictions. Masks and 6 feet apart. Maples would probably be limited to 1000 people, there would probably be no concessions, and the lines to get in would be like grocery store lines are now--people standing on marks six feet apart. The TV experience would probably be superior. And since the planners know that, I doubt they will even try to do it. I'd anticipate sports being a broadcast-only sort of thing for some time to come. But we have seen that before--as when they play games in those Thanksgiving tournaments in out-of-the-way places, sometimes with attendance so low it almost seems they are socially distanced!
My guess is that face to face instruction will be limited to labs, seminars, graduate courses, and other fairly small groups while nearly all lecture courses will be online. I also would guess that the instructors for those in-person courses will also have a laptop in front of them with zoomed in students participating remotely--making it a kind of hybridization. That is the only way I can foresee half the students being on campus and half off campus and yet giving both equal access.
I should note that I have no particular knowledge about Stanford's plans other than what I read, but I have been close to the planning process at SJSU, and given that we are both under the same county health order I can't see a lot of difference other than the fact that Stanford has a lot more money and resources to implement its solutions.
By the way, if we are eventually allowed to watch indoor sports like volleyball and basketball, I would anticipate it would be with similar restrictions. Masks and 6 feet apart. Maples would probably be limited to 1000 people, there would probably be no concessions, and the lines to get in would be like grocery store lines are now--people standing on marks six feet apart. The TV experience would probably be superior. And since the planners know that, I doubt they will even try to do it. I'd anticipate sports being a broadcast-only sort of thing for some time to come. But we have seen that before--as when they play games in those Thanksgiving tournaments in out-of-the-way places, sometimes with attendance so low it almost seems they are socially distanced!
06-05-2020, 09:58 AM
Am I the only one who is skeptical that masks in a classroom with class participation will work? I've been doing some socially distanced walks with friends where we wear masks and stay six feet apart outside, and we're basically shouting at one another in order to be understandable. (And to be honest, when we're in parts of the park where no one else is around, we lower our masks and stand farther apart than 6 feet, because it's just tedious to try to speak clearly and loudly enough to be heard in the course of an hour-long conversation.)
Given that, I can't imagine trying to parse a difficult text and give an eloquent 1-2 minute reaction while screaming into a mask. And how should the instructor enunciate loudly and clearly enough to be heard 50 feet across the room? Will they put a mic inside the mask?
Given that, I can't imagine trying to parse a difficult text and give an eloquent 1-2 minute reaction while screaming into a mask. And how should the instructor enunciate loudly and clearly enough to be heard 50 feet across the room? Will they put a mic inside the mask?
Am I the only one who is skeptical that masks in a classroom with class participation will work? I've been doing some socially distanced walks with friends where we wear masks and stay six feet apart outside, and we're basically shouting at one another in order to be understandable. (And to be honest, when we're in parts of the park where no one else is around, we lower our masks and stand farther apart than 6 feet, because it's just tedious to try to speak clearly and loudly enough to be heard in the course of an hour-long conversation.)
Given that, I can't imagine trying to parse a difficult text and give an eloquent 1-2 minute reaction while screaming into a mask. And how should the instructor enunciate loudly and clearly enough to be heard 50 feet across the room? Will they put a mic inside the mask?
Given that, I can't imagine trying to parse a difficult text and give an eloquent 1-2 minute reaction while screaming into a mask. And how should the instructor enunciate loudly and clearly enough to be heard 50 feet across the room? Will they put a mic inside the mask?
06-05-2020, 11:29 AM
The larger lecture halls in which I've lectured all have microphones, decent amplification and decent JBL speakers. They'll need to add equalizers to boost the mid-range frequencies that are muffled by a mask yet are critical for understanding speech. The bigger question, I think, is how many faculty will be willing to offer in-person instruction in a no-vaccine setting, regardless of the mandatory safeguards?
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
The larger lecture halls in which I've lectured all have microphones, decent amplification and decent JBL speakers. They'll need to add equalizers to boost the mid-range frequencies that are muffled by a mask yet are critical for understanding speech. The bigger question, I think, is how many faculty will be willing to offer in-person instruction in a no-vaccine setting, regardless of the mandatory safeguards?
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(06-05-2020, 09:58 AM)2006alum Wrote: Am I the only one who is skeptical that masks in a classroom with class participation will work? I've been doing some socially distanced walks with friends where we wear masks and stay six feet apart outside, and we're basically shouting at one another in order to be understandable. (And to be honest, when we're in parts of the park where no one else is around, we lower our masks and stand farther apart than 6 feet, because it's just tedious to try to speak clearly and loudly enough to be heard in the course of an hour-long conversation.)2006, this is why I do not think there will be any in-person lectures. But some classes, like labs and certain practica, certain art music and dance classes, etc. really cannot be offered online, and these will constitute the bulk of the "in-person" classes.
Given that, I can't imagine trying to parse a difficult text and give an eloquent 1-2 minute reaction while screaming into a mask. And how should the instructor enunciate loudly and clearly enough to be heard 50 feet across the room? Will they put a mic inside the mask?
(06-05-2020, 11:29 AM)Papa John Wrote: . The bigger question, I think, is how many faculty will be willing to offer in-person instruction in a no-vaccine setting, regardless of the mandatory safeguards?Papa John, this is indeed the bigger question. There is now a ban on anyone over 65 coming to campus, and that includes a surprising number of faculty. I am approaching that age but am not there yet, and I certainly do not intend to take any extra risks. I do love teaching, and I hate the online environment, and so occasionally I have delusions of being a hero and striding back into the classroom ASAP. Then I rethink. If I were a 30 year old Assistant Professor again, then maybe I would feel differently.
(06-05-2020, 09:58 AM)2006alum Wrote: Am I the only one who is skeptical that masks in a classroom with class participation will work? I've been doing some socially distanced walks with friends where we wear masks and stay six feet apart outside, and we're basically shouting at one another in order to be understandable. (And to be honest, when we're in parts of the park where no one else is around, we lower our masks and stand farther apart than 6 feet, because it's just tedious to try to speak clearly and loudly enough to be heard in the course of an hour-long conversation.)2006, this is why I do not think there will be any in-person lectures. But some classes, like labs and certain practica, certain art music and dance classes, etc. really cannot be offered online, and these will constitute the bulk of the "in-person" classes.
Given that, I can't imagine trying to parse a difficult text and give an eloquent 1-2 minute reaction while screaming into a mask. And how should the instructor enunciate loudly and clearly enough to be heard 50 feet across the room? Will they put a mic inside the mask?
(06-05-2020, 11:29 AM)Papa John Wrote: . The bigger question, I think, is how many faculty will be willing to offer in-person instruction in a no-vaccine setting, regardless of the mandatory safeguards?Papa John, this is indeed the bigger question. There is now a ban on anyone over 65 coming to campus, and that includes a surprising number of faculty. I am approaching that age but am not there yet, and I certainly do not intend to take any extra risks. I do love teaching, and I hate the online environment, and so occasionally I have delusions of being a hero and striding back into the classroom ASAP. Then I rethink. If I were a 30 year old Assistant Professor again, then maybe I would feel differently.
06-06-2020, 07:22 AM
I don’t believe masks will be required for college students in settings where there’s social distancing in place by blocking off seating.
06-06-2020, 11:59 AM
(06-06-2020, 07:22 AM)needle Wrote: I don’t believe masks will be required for college students in settings where there’s social distancing in place by blocking off seating.That would be very inconsistent with everything we have seen to date. The Pac-12's guidelines for all athletes and coaches to wear masks at all times except during film study and team meetings. Just can't imagine that will change as we approach the key months for that the second wave.
Most of the world is way ahead of the USA on the new normal. In some places in the world they have year round education, and in those countries it has been 6 feet and masks. Both are going to have limited value if people are in the same room for hours, but that's the reality.
I would expect schools will develop requirements for mask quality and publish strict policies on their use.
Yesterday I watched CNN's coverage of the re-opening of Universal Studios in Florida. The on site newscaster explained that Universal had a strict policy that everyone must wear masks in the park. Literally as she is saying that a man walks behind her with his mask covering only his chin while his daughter pulls down her mask to drink water. It was hilarious to me, but does highlight how tough this will be for schools.
As I think about small classes using larger lecture halls, I do worry about the efficacy of that format. Sure the teacher can talk to the students with the help of the audio system, but what about the students? How would they ask questions, or communicate generally with the teacher, the students in the hall, and the students online?
Even if there are microphones stationed at different places participation will be dramatically lower as most students will edit themselves to only ask rather significant questions.
For those that have ever attended a corporate meeting with employees in multiple sites, I fear the Stanford experience will be like that. The people at the site with the speaker get a little better access, but everything feels a little awkward when the speaker tries periodically to see if those in remote locations have questions.
The hybrid model sounds like the best option, but I don't think it will be a great experience.
(06-06-2020, 07:22 AM)needle Wrote: I don’t believe masks will be required for college students in settings where there’s social distancing in place by blocking off seating.That would be very inconsistent with everything we have seen to date. The Pac-12's guidelines for all athletes and coaches to wear masks at all times except during film study and team meetings. Just can't imagine that will change as we approach the key months for that the second wave.
Most of the world is way ahead of the USA on the new normal. In some places in the world they have year round education, and in those countries it has been 6 feet and masks. Both are going to have limited value if people are in the same room for hours, but that's the reality.
I would expect schools will develop requirements for mask quality and publish strict policies on their use.
Yesterday I watched CNN's coverage of the re-opening of Universal Studios in Florida. The on site newscaster explained that Universal had a strict policy that everyone must wear masks in the park. Literally as she is saying that a man walks behind her with his mask covering only his chin while his daughter pulls down her mask to drink water. It was hilarious to me, but does highlight how tough this will be for schools.
As I think about small classes using larger lecture halls, I do worry about the efficacy of that format. Sure the teacher can talk to the students with the help of the audio system, but what about the students? How would they ask questions, or communicate generally with the teacher, the students in the hall, and the students online?
Even if there are microphones stationed at different places participation will be dramatically lower as most students will edit themselves to only ask rather significant questions.
For those that have ever attended a corporate meeting with employees in multiple sites, I fear the Stanford experience will be like that. The people at the site with the speaker get a little better access, but everything feels a little awkward when the speaker tries periodically to see if those in remote locations have questions.
The hybrid model sounds like the best option, but I don't think it will be a great experience.
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