01-09-2021, 08:13 PM
Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
Winter Quarter Cancelled?
(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
01-09-2021, 08:24 PM
(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?thank you for clarification . I guess that leaves enough people on campus for school to be open? And therefore no impact on basketball schedule beyond what Sant Clara County does.
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?thank you for clarification . I guess that leaves enough people on campus for school to be open? And therefore no impact on basketball schedule beyond what Sant Clara County does.
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
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01-10-2021, 08:45 PM
(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
01-10-2021, 09:44 PM
(01-10-2021, 08:45 PM)winflop Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
Considering that travel is a well-known risk factor for COVID spread, perhaps the dumb ones are all the health officials outside of Santa Clara County, and the schools who appear determined to hold a sports season in the midst of the worst of the pandemic, going so far as to playing the sport outside of the county so as to avoid that county's health dictums. I mean, Stanford cancelled in person teaching for winter quarter for a reason.
Particularly because we have multiple vaccines and are working to distribute them, maybe it can wait until later.
BC
(01-10-2021, 08:45 PM)winflop Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
Considering that travel is a well-known risk factor for COVID spread, perhaps the dumb ones are all the health officials outside of Santa Clara County, and the schools who appear determined to hold a sports season in the midst of the worst of the pandemic, going so far as to playing the sport outside of the county so as to avoid that county's health dictums. I mean, Stanford cancelled in person teaching for winter quarter for a reason.
Particularly because we have multiple vaccines and are working to distribute them, maybe it can wait until later.
BC
(01-10-2021, 09:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.(01-10-2021, 08:45 PM)winflop Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
Considering that travel is a well-known risk factor for COVID spread, perhaps the dumb ones are all the health officials outside of Santa Clara County, and the schools who appear determined to hold a sports season in the midst of the worst of the pandemic, going so far as to playing the sport outside of the county so as to avoid that county's health dictums. I mean, Stanford cancelled in person teaching for winter quarter for a reason.
Particularly because we have multiple vaccines and are working to distribute them, maybe it can wait until later.
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
(01-10-2021, 09:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.(01-10-2021, 08:45 PM)winflop Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:18 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-09-2021, 08:13 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Just heard a rumor that Winter Quarter is cancelled. Is it true? If so, what does it mean for basketball program?
No it was not canceled. The university today told frosh and sophs they could not come to live on campus January 24 as previously expected.
Stanford said it would be contacting athletes regarding their situations.
The county’s stay-at-home order has been extended indefinitely by the state due to low ICU availability.
I have not seen any information about SCC changing its position on athletic practice and competition.
Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
Considering that travel is a well-known risk factor for COVID spread, perhaps the dumb ones are all the health officials outside of Santa Clara County, and the schools who appear determined to hold a sports season in the midst of the worst of the pandemic, going so far as to playing the sport outside of the county so as to avoid that county's health dictums. I mean, Stanford cancelled in person teaching for winter quarter for a reason.
Particularly because we have multiple vaccines and are working to distribute them, maybe it can wait until later.
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
01-11-2021, 12:23 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-11-2021, 12:33 AM by BostonCard.)
(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote:(01-10-2021, 09:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-10-2021, 08:45 PM)winflop Wrote: Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
Considering that travel is a well-known risk factor for COVID spread, perhaps the dumb ones are all the health officials outside of Santa Clara County, and the schools who appear determined to hold a sports season in the midst of the worst of the pandemic, going so far as to playing the sport outside of the county so as to avoid that county's health dictums. I mean, Stanford cancelled in person teaching for winter quarter for a reason.
Particularly because we have multiple vaccines and are working to distribute them, maybe it can wait until later.
BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
I agree that the debate is tiresome. Feel free to also call out the people who continue to question about the wisdom of the Santa Clara county's health directive. I promise I won't defend it if other people (in this thread specifically winflop) don't bring it up by impugning the intelligence of the SCC health officials.
BC
(This post was last modified: 01-11-2021, 12:33 AM by BostonCard.)
(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote:(01-10-2021, 09:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-10-2021, 08:45 PM)winflop Wrote: Any "contact" sport that is going to play will have to be done outside SCC through at least January, maybe longer. I can't think of a dumber group than SCC health officials
Considering that travel is a well-known risk factor for COVID spread, perhaps the dumb ones are all the health officials outside of Santa Clara County, and the schools who appear determined to hold a sports season in the midst of the worst of the pandemic, going so far as to playing the sport outside of the county so as to avoid that county's health dictums. I mean, Stanford cancelled in person teaching for winter quarter for a reason.
Particularly because we have multiple vaccines and are working to distribute them, maybe it can wait until later.
BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
I agree that the debate is tiresome. Feel free to also call out the people who continue to question about the wisdom of the Santa Clara county's health directive. I promise I won't defend it if other people (in this thread specifically winflop) don't bring it up by impugning the intelligence of the SCC health officials.
BC
(01-10-2021, 11:52 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
Teejers, I never expected you to play the setup guy.
I know you know that California and SCC have been and are safer than most of the country.
So I believe you are just venting. We are all frustrated.
True, California has $hitty numbers. Unfortunately, California is still better than other US states with larger population centers.
SCC has more than a 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than California. California has more than 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than the US.
If California were the same average as the rest of the US (118/100K), there would be nearly 18,000 more deaths in California (5% of all US deaths to date).
Check out California against the other states with major cities in terms of COVID deaths per 100K.
The states for the 10 largest US cities are NY (304 NYC, 123), CA (73), IL(151), TX (102), AZ (137), PA(138), TX, CA, TX, CA
[and, since you mention FL, it's 106]
The US average is 111, so California has a third fewer deaths.
(Comparing to Europe: Germany(50), UK(121), FR (101), IT (130) )
SCC is at 47 COVID deaths per 100K.
You quote examples that I find are great examples of how badly other areas are doing. Take your Florida vaccine example. How the heck is it better that two healthy guys in their 60s have been vaccinated. (If they're doctors, that's expected and proper, so I assume they aren't.) Per the CDC, Florida has vaccinated under 403K people. There are at least 500K health care workers (Based on CA numbers, I expect it is 1M). The census indicates 4.48M people age 65+. (About 3.17M 70+; 600K 85+) Ask yourself, how did these 2 guys jump in front of 3.6M people that deserve the shot more?
I do agree that California and SCC have done very poorly in getting shots into LTCF residents. You may want to contact the health department and try to get her a vaccination independently of her living facility.
I suggest further discussion to happen in a similar board that I set up this past week. I hoped to give it a bit more try out, but I'll open it now.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/index.php
(01-10-2021, 11:52 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
Teejers, I never expected you to play the setup guy.
I know you know that California and SCC have been and are safer than most of the country.
So I believe you are just venting. We are all frustrated.
True, California has $hitty numbers. Unfortunately, California is still better than other US states with larger population centers.
SCC has more than a 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than California. California has more than 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than the US.
If California were the same average as the rest of the US (118/100K), there would be nearly 18,000 more deaths in California (5% of all US deaths to date).
Check out California against the other states with major cities in terms of COVID deaths per 100K.
The states for the 10 largest US cities are NY (304 NYC, 123), CA (73), IL(151), TX (102), AZ (137), PA(138), TX, CA, TX, CA
[and, since you mention FL, it's 106]
The US average is 111, so California has a third fewer deaths.
(Comparing to Europe: Germany(50), UK(121), FR (101), IT (130) )
SCC is at 47 COVID deaths per 100K.
You quote examples that I find are great examples of how badly other areas are doing. Take your Florida vaccine example. How the heck is it better that two healthy guys in their 60s have been vaccinated. (If they're doctors, that's expected and proper, so I assume they aren't.) Per the CDC, Florida has vaccinated under 403K people. There are at least 500K health care workers (Based on CA numbers, I expect it is 1M). The census indicates 4.48M people age 65+. (About 3.17M 70+; 600K 85+) Ask yourself, how did these 2 guys jump in front of 3.6M people that deserve the shot more?
I do agree that California and SCC have done very poorly in getting shots into LTCF residents. You may want to contact the health department and try to get her a vaccination independently of her living facility.
I suggest further discussion to happen in a similar board that I set up this past week. I hoped to give it a bit more try out, but I'll open it now.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/index.php
01-11-2021, 06:38 AM
(01-11-2021, 04:40 AM)M T Wrote:Excellent idea! Thanks for a workable response.(01-10-2021, 11:52 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
Teejers, I never expected you to play the setup guy.
I know you know that California and SCC have been and are safer than most of the country.
So I believe you are just venting. We are all frustrated.
True, California has $hitty numbers. Unfortunately, California is still better than other US states with larger population centers.
SCC has more than a 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than California. California has more than 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than the US.
If California were the same average as the rest of the US (118/100K), there would be nearly 18,000 more deaths in California (5% of all US deaths to date).
Check out California against the other states with major cities in terms of COVID deaths per 100K.
The states for the 10 largest US cities are NY (304 NYC, 123), CA (73), IL(151), TX (102), AZ (137), PA(138), TX, CA, TX, CA
[and, since you mention FL, it's 106]
The US average is 111, so California has a third fewer deaths.
(Comparing to Europe: Germany(50), UK(121), FR (101), IT (130) )
SCC is at 47 COVID deaths per 100K.
You quote examples that I find are great examples of how badly other areas are doing. Take your Florida vaccine example. How the heck is it better that two healthy guys in their 60s have been vaccinated. (If they're doctors, that's expected and proper, so I assume they aren't.) Per the CDC, Florida has vaccinated under 403K people. There are at least 500K health care workers (Based on CA numbers, I expect it is 1M). The census indicates 4.48M people age 65+. (About 3.17M 70+; 600K 85+) Ask yourself, how did these 2 guys jump in front of 3.6M people that deserve the shot more?
I do agree that California and SCC have done very poorly in getting shots into LTCF residents. You may want to contact the health department and try to get her a vaccination independently of her living facility.
I suggest further discussion to happen in a similar board that I set up this past week. I hoped to give it a bit more try out, but I'll open it now.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/index.php
(01-11-2021, 04:40 AM)M T Wrote:Excellent idea! Thanks for a workable response.(01-10-2021, 11:52 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
Teejers, I never expected you to play the setup guy.
I know you know that California and SCC have been and are safer than most of the country.
So I believe you are just venting. We are all frustrated.
True, California has $hitty numbers. Unfortunately, California is still better than other US states with larger population centers.
SCC has more than a 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than California. California has more than 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than the US.
If California were the same average as the rest of the US (118/100K), there would be nearly 18,000 more deaths in California (5% of all US deaths to date).
Check out California against the other states with major cities in terms of COVID deaths per 100K.
The states for the 10 largest US cities are NY (304 NYC, 123), CA (73), IL(151), TX (102), AZ (137), PA(138), TX, CA, TX, CA
[and, since you mention FL, it's 106]
The US average is 111, so California has a third fewer deaths.
(Comparing to Europe: Germany(50), UK(121), FR (101), IT (130) )
SCC is at 47 COVID deaths per 100K.
You quote examples that I find are great examples of how badly other areas are doing. Take your Florida vaccine example. How the heck is it better that two healthy guys in their 60s have been vaccinated. (If they're doctors, that's expected and proper, so I assume they aren't.) Per the CDC, Florida has vaccinated under 403K people. There are at least 500K health care workers (Based on CA numbers, I expect it is 1M). The census indicates 4.48M people age 65+. (About 3.17M 70+; 600K 85+) Ask yourself, how did these 2 guys jump in front of 3.6M people that deserve the shot more?
I do agree that California and SCC have done very poorly in getting shots into LTCF residents. You may want to contact the health department and try to get her a vaccination independently of her living facility.
I suggest further discussion to happen in a similar board that I set up this past week. I hoped to give it a bit more try out, but I'll open it now.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/index.php
01-11-2021, 08:47 AM
(01-11-2021, 04:39 AM)winflop Wrote: BC it's an opinion. You are welcome to disagree. I think their draconian policies have done far more harm than good and lack an empirical basis.
I understand that. I (respectfully) disagree. I took issue with another poster for noting that this is a tiresome debate. While I agree with that poster on the assessment, I noted that my response was just that, a response to someone else's criticism (yours) of the Santa Clara County Health authority.
Obviously, decisions by Santa Clara county affect our teams, so I don't think they are out of bounds for discussion here. But, given that there has not been any change in the directive and the bounds, it's not going to be changed any time soon, and the parameters of the pro/con debate have been well worn, I am committed not to bring up that it was probably a wise decision every time we break a new record of cases, hospitalizations or deaths, or every time an article showing just how bad the situation is (particularly, right now, in Los Angeles) as long as those who disagree with the directive don't bring it up every time one of our teams has a hardship brought on by the directive.
BC
(01-11-2021, 04:39 AM)winflop Wrote: BC it's an opinion. You are welcome to disagree. I think their draconian policies have done far more harm than good and lack an empirical basis.
I understand that. I (respectfully) disagree. I took issue with another poster for noting that this is a tiresome debate. While I agree with that poster on the assessment, I noted that my response was just that, a response to someone else's criticism (yours) of the Santa Clara County Health authority.
Obviously, decisions by Santa Clara county affect our teams, so I don't think they are out of bounds for discussion here. But, given that there has not been any change in the directive and the bounds, it's not going to be changed any time soon, and the parameters of the pro/con debate have been well worn, I am committed not to bring up that it was probably a wise decision every time we break a new record of cases, hospitalizations or deaths, or every time an article showing just how bad the situation is (particularly, right now, in Los Angeles) as long as those who disagree with the directive don't bring it up every time one of our teams has a hardship brought on by the directive.
BC
01-11-2021, 08:49 AM
(01-11-2021, 04:40 AM)M T Wrote:(01-10-2021, 11:52 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
Teejers, I never expected you to play the setup guy.
I know you know that California and SCC have been and are safer than most of the country.
So I believe you are just venting. We are all frustrated.
True, California has $hitty numbers. Unfortunately, California is still better than other US states with larger population centers.
SCC has more than a 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than California. California has more than 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than the US.
If California were the same average as the rest of the US (118/100K), there would be nearly 18,000 more deaths in California (5% of all US deaths to date).
Check out California against the other states with major cities in terms of COVID deaths per 100K.
The states for the 10 largest US cities are NY (304 NYC, 123), CA (73), IL(151), TX (102), AZ (137), PA(138), TX, CA, TX, CA
[and, since you mention FL, it's 106]
The US average is 111, so California has a third fewer deaths.
(Comparing to Europe: Germany(50), UK(121), FR (101), IT (130) )
SCC is at 47 COVID deaths per 100K.
You quote examples that I find are great examples of how badly other areas are doing. Take your Florida vaccine example. How the heck is it better that two healthy guys in their 60s have been vaccinated. (If they're doctors, that's expected and proper, so I assume they aren't.) Per the CDC, Florida has vaccinated under 403K people. There are at least 500K health care workers (Based on CA numbers, I expect it is 1M). The census indicates 4.48M people age 65+. (About 3.17M 70+; 600K 85+) Ask yourself, how did these 2 guys jump in front of 3.6M people that deserve the shot more?
I do agree that California and SCC have done very poorly in getting shots into LTCF residents. You may want to contact the health department and try to get her a vaccination independently of her living facility.
I suggest further discussion to happen in a similar board that I set up this past week. I hoped to give it a bit more try out, but I'll open it now.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/index.php
If only we had a working COVID board...
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(01-11-2021, 04:40 AM)M T Wrote:(01-10-2021, 11:52 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(01-10-2021, 10:07 PM)Mudhead Wrote: BC Frankly, this debate is tiresome and repetitive. I’m interested in basketball. Santa Clara County, among all the counties in the US so far as I know, has chosen its ban on sports approach. There approach hasn’t solved the Covids problem but maybe people in Santa .Clara County are better off than they were before. We can’t know now so I for one am tired of speculating. And yes, I do believe playing college basketball confers more benefit on the players, the schools and the fans than the unknown benefit of cancelling a season. That’s not science, that’s opinion and common sense.This seems as good a spot for a mini-rant of 5 things that SUCK from my vantage point in Palo Alto, CA:
But Let’s talk basketball here. Apologies if I come across as insensitive or disrespectful; I’m not. We all have our views and they deserve to be heard. Just maybe not here. I for one am a simple basketball fan whio is fed up with arguments that can’t be resolved .
1. Last night, on SportsCenter, the #1 play in Top 10 was from a high school girls’ basketball game . . . that had fans in stands! And here, no school, no sports, no fans, no nothing.
2. Per a grad school buddy, a Chicagoan who rented a place in South Beach for a month to get some warm and sun, they are allowing dining outdoors . . . and indoors. Here, neither.
3. Everywhere else in the country, afaik, college teams are allowed to practice and play on their home courts. Here, no dice.
4. Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside have very low Covid numbers, and virtually all (all but 2 according to a family doctor a few days ago) of the Covid patients at Stanford hospital are transfers from other areas – yet the lockdown here is as strict (if not stricter) than anywhere else.
5. I don’t follow other states (or counties) all that closely; however, my impression is California is one of the strictest states in terms of lockdowns across the board (and has been pretty much from the jump). And seemingly California is the worst Covid place in the world right now. WTH is going on?!? I’m tired of closure restrictions for restrictions’ sake (SCC sports one is perfect example); and I’m really pissed at people who don’t take basic and reasonable precautions, which is fueling CA’s $hitty numbers.
Oh, and CA is doing a bang up job on the vaccination front, too . . . NOT! (The guy from Chicago said he played golf with two guys in Florida - both in their 60s and in decent health - both have been vaccinated (or at least one of the shots)). Here, my 97 year old mom living in Assisted Living was advised they would have first shots in December . . . now, no visibility into when that might actually occur. AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!
Teejers, I never expected you to play the setup guy.
I know you know that California and SCC have been and are safer than most of the country.
So I believe you are just venting. We are all frustrated.
True, California has $hitty numbers. Unfortunately, California is still better than other US states with larger population centers.
SCC has more than a 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than California. California has more than 1/3 FEWER COVID deaths per capita than the US.
If California were the same average as the rest of the US (118/100K), there would be nearly 18,000 more deaths in California (5% of all US deaths to date).
Check out California against the other states with major cities in terms of COVID deaths per 100K.
The states for the 10 largest US cities are NY (304 NYC, 123), CA (73), IL(151), TX (102), AZ (137), PA(138), TX, CA, TX, CA
[and, since you mention FL, it's 106]
The US average is 111, so California has a third fewer deaths.
(Comparing to Europe: Germany(50), UK(121), FR (101), IT (130) )
SCC is at 47 COVID deaths per 100K.
You quote examples that I find are great examples of how badly other areas are doing. Take your Florida vaccine example. How the heck is it better that two healthy guys in their 60s have been vaccinated. (If they're doctors, that's expected and proper, so I assume they aren't.) Per the CDC, Florida has vaccinated under 403K people. There are at least 500K health care workers (Based on CA numbers, I expect it is 1M). The census indicates 4.48M people age 65+. (About 3.17M 70+; 600K 85+) Ask yourself, how did these 2 guys jump in front of 3.6M people that deserve the shot more?
I do agree that California and SCC have done very poorly in getting shots into LTCF residents. You may want to contact the health department and try to get her a vaccination independently of her living facility.
I suggest further discussion to happen in a similar board that I set up this past week. I hoped to give it a bit more try out, but I'll open it now.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/index.php
If only we had a working COVID board...
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(01-11-2021, 08:49 AM)Mick Wrote: If only we had a working COVID board...
Indeed. And I wish we did, but we don't. And the admins don't want one. So I'm going to lock this thread and hope we can do better on keeping this to sports.
And worth noting that we have a new board for just such debates - thanks to M T and others for setting this up!:
(01-11-2021, 05:00 AM)M T Wrote:
Since COVID is still relevant to most people, and the discussion of it is no longer welcome on the CARDboard, I set up another board this past week.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/
The board software will be a bit different (newer) than here but the capabilities will be similar. I would have wanted a bit more time to play around with it, but since the COVID topic raised its head on one thread here again, I'm announcing it now.
Please respect the wishes of the CARDboard administration and don't discuss COVID in this thread.
(P.S. You're welcome to use the same user name in the new board as here, but please use a different password.)
(01-11-2021, 08:49 AM)Mick Wrote: If only we had a working COVID board...
Indeed. And I wish we did, but we don't. And the admins don't want one. So I'm going to lock this thread and hope we can do better on keeping this to sports.
And worth noting that we have a new board for just such debates - thanks to M T and others for setting this up!:
(01-11-2021, 05:00 AM)M T Wrote:
Since COVID is still relevant to most people, and the discussion of it is no longer welcome on the CARDboard, I set up another board this past week.
https://thecovidboard.createmybb4.com/
The board software will be a bit different (newer) than here but the capabilities will be similar. I would have wanted a bit more time to play around with it, but since the COVID topic raised its head on one thread here again, I'm announcing it now.
Please respect the wishes of the CARDboard administration and don't discuss COVID in this thread.
(P.S. You're welcome to use the same user name in the new board as here, but please use a different password.)
01-11-2021, 11:20 AM
Thread closed. To continue this debate, go to MT's board.
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