09-07-2021, 09:55 PM
Nice Article re NIL and Exploitation of Athletes
09-08-2021, 05:23 AM
Though I didn't read every word, that's quite an article. The basic summary is NIL hasn't really changed anything for athletes. Arguably, it's further compromised the education mission of universities by making athletes spend more time away from academic training, and more time toward marketing themselves, which includes both cutting deals, and focusing in on being professional athletes not paid for their work.
Frankly, I don't understand why more black athletes don't choose to play at HBCUs if they feel big time college sports is keeping the plantation mentality afloat. I mean I do get it in terms of wanting to be trained for the next level, etc., but FFS, when are even young people going to start realizing they are going to have to make choices between money and principle if they ever want things to change?
Frankly, I don't understand why more black athletes don't choose to play at HBCUs if they feel big time college sports is keeping the plantation mentality afloat. I mean I do get it in terms of wanting to be trained for the next level, etc., but FFS, when are even young people going to start realizing they are going to have to make choices between money and principle if they ever want things to change?
Though I didn't read every word, that's quite an article. The basic summary is NIL hasn't really changed anything for athletes. Arguably, it's further compromised the education mission of universities by making athletes spend more time away from academic training, and more time toward marketing themselves, which includes both cutting deals, and focusing in on being professional athletes not paid for their work.
Frankly, I don't understand why more black athletes don't choose to play at HBCUs if they feel big time college sports is keeping the plantation mentality afloat. I mean I do get it in terms of wanting to be trained for the next level, etc., but FFS, when are even young people going to start realizing they are going to have to make choices between money and principle if they ever want things to change?
Frankly, I don't understand why more black athletes don't choose to play at HBCUs if they feel big time college sports is keeping the plantation mentality afloat. I mean I do get it in terms of wanting to be trained for the next level, etc., but FFS, when are even young people going to start realizing they are going to have to make choices between money and principle if they ever want things to change?
09-08-2021, 07:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2021, 07:41 AM by TriangleTree.)
Good/interesting article, thanks for posting.
I don't know whether I subscribe to the conclusion of pay to play being the best solution, but certainly thought provoking and there's a lot of truth in the situation as portrayed
There's just no good solution to this problem/situation. I keep coming back to a parallel professional league with no pretense of educational aims that allows for the NCAA to be truer to its mission. Problem is that will never happen, why would NFL invest in unprofitable minor leagues when it can ride on the NCAA as a farm system at no cost?
Really hard to predict how this whole thing unfolds. I think the NIL will reduce the explosiveness of the situation for a decade or two, but who knows where it ends up.
I don't know whether I subscribe to the conclusion of pay to play being the best solution, but certainly thought provoking and there's a lot of truth in the situation as portrayed
There's just no good solution to this problem/situation. I keep coming back to a parallel professional league with no pretense of educational aims that allows for the NCAA to be truer to its mission. Problem is that will never happen, why would NFL invest in unprofitable minor leagues when it can ride on the NCAA as a farm system at no cost?
Really hard to predict how this whole thing unfolds. I think the NIL will reduce the explosiveness of the situation for a decade or two, but who knows where it ends up.
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2021, 07:41 AM by TriangleTree.)
Good/interesting article, thanks for posting.
I don't know whether I subscribe to the conclusion of pay to play being the best solution, but certainly thought provoking and there's a lot of truth in the situation as portrayed
There's just no good solution to this problem/situation. I keep coming back to a parallel professional league with no pretense of educational aims that allows for the NCAA to be truer to its mission. Problem is that will never happen, why would NFL invest in unprofitable minor leagues when it can ride on the NCAA as a farm system at no cost?
Really hard to predict how this whole thing unfolds. I think the NIL will reduce the explosiveness of the situation for a decade or two, but who knows where it ends up.
I don't know whether I subscribe to the conclusion of pay to play being the best solution, but certainly thought provoking and there's a lot of truth in the situation as portrayed
There's just no good solution to this problem/situation. I keep coming back to a parallel professional league with no pretense of educational aims that allows for the NCAA to be truer to its mission. Problem is that will never happen, why would NFL invest in unprofitable minor leagues when it can ride on the NCAA as a farm system at no cost?
Really hard to predict how this whole thing unfolds. I think the NIL will reduce the explosiveness of the situation for a decade or two, but who knows where it ends up.
09-08-2021, 08:23 AM
(09-08-2021, 05:23 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Arguably, it's further compromised the education mission of universities by making athletes spend more time away from academic training, and more time toward marketing themselves, which includes both cutting deals, and focusing in on being professional athletes not paid for their work.
This was my problem with the article. It couldn't decide whether to complain that athletes aren't being paid enough or that athletes aren't being adequately educated. Maybe the complaint is that universities need to better in both, but the reality of the situation is that as a matter of practical fact the two are more or less in opposition. Collegiate athletics can be an amateur endeavor focusing on academics or it can be a minor league professional league. To be fair, to a large degree it has been neither to date. But it certainly cannot be both.
BC
(09-08-2021, 05:23 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Arguably, it's further compromised the education mission of universities by making athletes spend more time away from academic training, and more time toward marketing themselves, which includes both cutting deals, and focusing in on being professional athletes not paid for their work.
This was my problem with the article. It couldn't decide whether to complain that athletes aren't being paid enough or that athletes aren't being adequately educated. Maybe the complaint is that universities need to better in both, but the reality of the situation is that as a matter of practical fact the two are more or less in opposition. Collegiate athletics can be an amateur endeavor focusing on academics or it can be a minor league professional league. To be fair, to a large degree it has been neither to date. But it certainly cannot be both.
BC
09-08-2021, 11:04 AM
(09-08-2021, 08:23 AM)BostonCard Wrote:While I basically agree that any two activities that require a student's time compete with each other, NIL and class work are not alone in this category. Looking back on it, I often express regret that I didn't spend more time on X while at Stanford. (In particular, I regret not taking EE141). However, when I think about it more rigorously, I was busy as heck while I was there, and didn't get lots of sleep. Not all of it was academics. That is just how it is. If you want to do more, do it faster or sleep less. Life is just kind of like that.(09-08-2021, 05:23 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Arguably, it's further compromised the education mission of universities by making athletes spend more time away from academic training, and more time toward marketing themselves, which includes both cutting deals, and focusing in on being professional athletes not paid for their work.
This was my problem with the article. It couldn't decide whether to complain that athletes aren't being paid enough or that athletes aren't being adequately educated. Maybe the complaint is that universities need to better in both, but the reality of the situation is that as a matter of practical fact the two are more or less in opposition. Collegiate athletics can be an amateur endeavor focusing on academics or it can be a minor league professional league. To be fair, to a large degree it has been neither to date. But it certainly cannot be both.
BC
It is clearly difficult to be both a University and a minor league. Actually, I think the Universities have done a remarkably good job of doing both given the degree of difficulty. However, adding additional requirements like NIL may make continuing this approach impossible. So be it. Everybody has to chose.
(09-08-2021, 08:23 AM)BostonCard Wrote:While I basically agree that any two activities that require a student's time compete with each other, NIL and class work are not alone in this category. Looking back on it, I often express regret that I didn't spend more time on X while at Stanford. (In particular, I regret not taking EE141). However, when I think about it more rigorously, I was busy as heck while I was there, and didn't get lots of sleep. Not all of it was academics. That is just how it is. If you want to do more, do it faster or sleep less. Life is just kind of like that.(09-08-2021, 05:23 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Arguably, it's further compromised the education mission of universities by making athletes spend more time away from academic training, and more time toward marketing themselves, which includes both cutting deals, and focusing in on being professional athletes not paid for their work.
This was my problem with the article. It couldn't decide whether to complain that athletes aren't being paid enough or that athletes aren't being adequately educated. Maybe the complaint is that universities need to better in both, but the reality of the situation is that as a matter of practical fact the two are more or less in opposition. Collegiate athletics can be an amateur endeavor focusing on academics or it can be a minor league professional league. To be fair, to a large degree it has been neither to date. But it certainly cannot be both.
BC
It is clearly difficult to be both a University and a minor league. Actually, I think the Universities have done a remarkably good job of doing both given the degree of difficulty. However, adding additional requirements like NIL may make continuing this approach impossible. So be it. Everybody has to chose.
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