01-08-2024, 05:52 PM
- revenue $137m (includes $12.3m in University support for Varsity Sports)
- expenses $158m
https://gostanford.com/documents/2023/12..._Final.pdf
Eric
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(01-08-2024, 05:52 PM)82lsju Wrote:The operating deficit increased from $11.5M in 2021-22 to $21M in 2022-23. Revenue was up by $2.8M but expenses increased by $9.5M more than that (pretty much across the board). It's not a surprise. Back when they were looking at cutting sports in 2020, they were forecasting a cumulative shortfall over the next 3 years of $70 million. Hopefully, we'll be well below that, but it's not great. The report says they made up the deficit with "funding from the university" and a "withdrawal from the DAPER fund". Hopefully they didn't tap into the DAPER fund too much. That would be a double burden if DAPER revenues decrease too. And, of course, expenses will increase next season with additional travel and student support
- revenue $137m (includes $12.3m in University support for Varsity Sports)
- expenses $158m
https://gostanford.com/documents/2023/12..._Final.pdf
(01-08-2024, 05:52 PM)82lsju Wrote:The operating deficit increased from $11.5M in 2021-22 to $21M in 2022-23. Revenue was up by $2.8M but expenses increased by $9.5M more than that (pretty much across the board). It's not a surprise. Back when they were looking at cutting sports in 2020, they were forecasting a cumulative shortfall over the next 3 years of $70 million. Hopefully, we'll be well below that, but it's not great. The report says they made up the deficit with "funding from the university" and a "withdrawal from the DAPER fund". Hopefully they didn't tap into the DAPER fund too much. That would be a double burden if DAPER revenues decrease too. And, of course, expenses will increase next season with additional travel and student support
- revenue $137m (includes $12.3m in University support for Varsity Sports)
- expenses $158m
https://gostanford.com/documents/2023/12..._Final.pdf
(01-08-2024, 08:08 PM)2006alum Wrote: Thanks for sharing. Does anyone know how the 11 sports that got cut and then reinstated factor into this? I guess I thought the $200m endowment that their boosters raised served to ensure the AD wouldn't operate at a loss because of them. Is that right? If so, does this mean the deficit is the result of the remaining sports?
(01-08-2024, 08:08 PM)2006alum Wrote: Thanks for sharing. Does anyone know how the 11 sports that got cut and then reinstated factor into this? I guess I thought the $200m endowment that their boosters raised served to ensure the AD wouldn't operate at a loss because of them. Is that right? If so, does this mean the deficit is the result of the remaining sports?
(01-09-2024, 01:24 PM)SkiBum80 Wrote: I notice Scholarships in expenses of $31 mil.
Is any of this real cash expenditures outside the school? like, say, off-campus housing or meal plans?
Or some (or most?) of it moving it out of Stanford Athletics pocket and into Stanford Academics pocket?
(the pockets being simply on other sides of the same garment with Stanford printed prominently on the back)
(01-09-2024, 01:24 PM)SkiBum80 Wrote: I notice Scholarships in expenses of $31 mil.
Is any of this real cash expenditures outside the school? like, say, off-campus housing or meal plans?
Or some (or most?) of it moving it out of Stanford Athletics pocket and into Stanford Academics pocket?
(the pockets being simply on other sides of the same garment with Stanford printed prominently on the back)
(01-09-2024, 04:06 PM)BobK Wrote: Most scholarships are partial. Maybe 30-50%. Did you account for that?
(01-09-2024, 04:06 PM)BobK Wrote: Most scholarships are partial. Maybe 30-50%. Did you account for that?
Jamesy dateline='[url=tel:1704844735' Wrote: 1704844735[/url]']
BobK dateline='[url=tel:1704841595' Wrote: 1704841595[/url]']
Most scholarships are partial. Maybe 30-50%. Did you account for that?
Was thinking that each team has a certain allotment so if a team has say 7.5 scholarships that are allocated to 10 athletes, it would still cost $80k * 7.5. Thus, 400 scholarship equivalents but more than 400 athletes may be receiving scholarship aid. All back of the envelope to answer SkiBum's question that the majority of the cost (tuition) is likely just accounting.
Jamesy dateline='[url=tel:1704844735' Wrote: 1704844735[/url]']
BobK dateline='[url=tel:1704841595' Wrote: 1704841595[/url]']
Most scholarships are partial. Maybe 30-50%. Did you account for that?
Was thinking that each team has a certain allotment so if a team has say 7.5 scholarships that are allocated to 10 athletes, it would still cost $80k * 7.5. Thus, 400 scholarship equivalents but more than 400 athletes may be receiving scholarship aid. All back of the envelope to answer SkiBum's question that the majority of the cost (tuition) is likely just accounting.
(01-09-2024, 04:58 PM)Jamesy Wrote:Stanford's 2021-22 Equity in Athletics disclosure shows "athletically-related student aid" of $28,909,727, which is strangely lower than the 30.51 shown on Stanford athletics 2021-22 annual report. (You can find Stanford's Equity in Athletics report here: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search). The report shows 832 unique participants in Stanford varsity sports for that year, so using the Equity in Athletics figure that is an average of $34,747.27 in sports-specific aid per participant. Of course Stanford's general financial aid is very generous so I presume many Stanford athletes also receive non-athletically-related aid.(01-09-2024, 04:06 PM)BobK Wrote: Most scholarships are partial. Maybe 30-50%. Did you account for that?
Was thinking that each team has a certain allotment so if a team has say 7.5 scholarships that are allocated to 10 athletes, it would still cost $80k * 7.5. Thus, 400 scholarship equivalents but more than 400 athletes may be receiving scholarship aid. All back of the envelope to answer SkiBum's question that the majority of the cost (tuition) is likely just accounting.
(01-09-2024, 04:58 PM)Jamesy Wrote:Stanford's 2021-22 Equity in Athletics disclosure shows "athletically-related student aid" of $28,909,727, which is strangely lower than the 30.51 shown on Stanford athletics 2021-22 annual report. (You can find Stanford's Equity in Athletics report here: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search). The report shows 832 unique participants in Stanford varsity sports for that year, so using the Equity in Athletics figure that is an average of $34,747.27 in sports-specific aid per participant. Of course Stanford's general financial aid is very generous so I presume many Stanford athletes also receive non-athletically-related aid.(01-09-2024, 04:06 PM)BobK Wrote: Most scholarships are partial. Maybe 30-50%. Did you account for that?
Was thinking that each team has a certain allotment so if a team has say 7.5 scholarships that are allocated to 10 athletes, it would still cost $80k * 7.5. Thus, 400 scholarship equivalents but more than 400 athletes may be receiving scholarship aid. All back of the envelope to answer SkiBum's question that the majority of the cost (tuition) is likely just accounting.
(01-10-2024, 02:22 PM)SkiBum80 Wrote: Thanks OCcard & others for further insight.
Some further musings with a disclaimer that it's from someone not in the loop, but rather making conjectures based on limited info.
If you look at the report in simplest terms, OMG the athletics is hemorrhaging $21 mil cash!
Like as in $21 mil actual dollars flowing out of the University through the Athletic department doorways.
But I'm not sure it's that simple.
If Athletics is paying $31 mil of scholarships, then sounds to me like Academics is charging Athletics that amount for the privilege of teaching (and housing and feeding) these Stanford athletes.
So that $31 mil is presumably not directly going out of Stanford directly, but rather to Academics, which then pools it into all its other students income and then sends it out to teachers, workers, etc.
So the $31 mil transfer makes Athletics looks worse financially and Academics better.
I then think about those Stanford athletes on scholarship, and how many, without the scholarship, would have come to Stanford in the first place, and if so, what tuition would they have paid to Academics (i.e. would some have gotten any need based or academic scholarship?)
For those athletes that didn't come, then would they be directly substituted with the same number of non-athlete admissions?
Would those non-athlete admissions all be paying full tuition themselves, or some or many of them be getting partial or full need or academic scholarships?
And furthermore, in worst case, if all those athletes did not get scholarships, and presumably many or most ended up going elsewhere, then what is the prospect of Stanford athletics long term?
If Stanford athletics long term isn't good, what is the prospect of the Stanford "brand" long term, if not evolution from what it has been, top quality Academic + Athletic, to maybe simply top quality Academic?
Getting back to my initial point, I think the Athletics report of $21 mil deficit is of course not good, but it doesn't exactly correlate to the Athletic dept having blown away $21 mil of cash. A lot depends on how you view the implications and accuracy of the $31 mil charge to Athletics that I presume is credited to Academics.
(01-10-2024, 02:22 PM)SkiBum80 Wrote: Thanks OCcard & others for further insight.
Some further musings with a disclaimer that it's from someone not in the loop, but rather making conjectures based on limited info.
If you look at the report in simplest terms, OMG the athletics is hemorrhaging $21 mil cash!
Like as in $21 mil actual dollars flowing out of the University through the Athletic department doorways.
But I'm not sure it's that simple.
If Athletics is paying $31 mil of scholarships, then sounds to me like Academics is charging Athletics that amount for the privilege of teaching (and housing and feeding) these Stanford athletes.
So that $31 mil is presumably not directly going out of Stanford directly, but rather to Academics, which then pools it into all its other students income and then sends it out to teachers, workers, etc.
So the $31 mil transfer makes Athletics looks worse financially and Academics better.
I then think about those Stanford athletes on scholarship, and how many, without the scholarship, would have come to Stanford in the first place, and if so, what tuition would they have paid to Academics (i.e. would some have gotten any need based or academic scholarship?)
For those athletes that didn't come, then would they be directly substituted with the same number of non-athlete admissions?
Would those non-athlete admissions all be paying full tuition themselves, or some or many of them be getting partial or full need or academic scholarships?
And furthermore, in worst case, if all those athletes did not get scholarships, and presumably many or most ended up going elsewhere, then what is the prospect of Stanford athletics long term?
If Stanford athletics long term isn't good, what is the prospect of the Stanford "brand" long term, if not evolution from what it has been, top quality Academic + Athletic, to maybe simply top quality Academic?
Getting back to my initial point, I think the Athletics report of $21 mil deficit is of course not good, but it doesn't exactly correlate to the Athletic dept having blown away $21 mil of cash. A lot depends on how you view the implications and accuracy of the $31 mil charge to Athletics that I presume is credited to Academics.