[Goose]

It will indeed be interesting to see where Sorsby lands. My belief is that he will be considered "damaged goods", and the Raiders already have their QB so their "wild card" approach is off the table :-). IMO there is at least a 20% chance he goes undrafted.

Why would the NFL take a chance on a guy who couldn't follow simple rules in a lower league and then give him a shot in the bigs?  Is he that good??

The NFL is notorious for acting based on a QB having "the tools". Sorsby supposedly can physically do everything a QB needs to do very well. The thought is that these are things that can't be taught. How far you can throw a football, how quick your feet are etc. is considered a natural gift. You have it or you don't. Very few humans have all the skills, or even most of them. Of course, the ability to determine on any given play exactly which skills are relevant and exactly how to use them is also necessary. The theory is those skills can be taught. Sorsby supposedly has all the tools. It is a rare enough find that some NFL personnel directors may be willing to take a chance on character, intellectual ability and reading the field. It is at best risky.

[Goose]

It will indeed be interesting to see where Sorsby lands. My belief is that he will be considered "damaged goods", and the Raiders already have their QB so their "wild card" approach is off the table :-). IMO there is at least a 20% chance he goes undrafted.

Why would the NFL take a chance on a guy who couldn't follow simple rules in a lower league and then give him a shot in the bigs?  Is he that good??

The NFL is notorious for acting based on a QB having "the tools". Sorsby supposedly can physically do everything a QB needs to do very well. The thought is that these are things that can't be taught. How far you can throw a football, how quick your feet are etc. is considered a natural gift. You have it or you don't. Very few humans have all the skills, or even most of them. Of course, the ability to determine on any given play exactly which skills are relevant and exactly how to use them is also necessary. The theory is those skills can be taught. Sorsby supposedly has all the tools. It is a rare enough find that some NFL personnel directors may be willing to take a chance on character, intellectual ability and reading the field. It is at best risky.

[Goose]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/articles/br...52690.html
Obviously not from a "neutral" source but if Cincinnati really did explicitly know this gambling was going on they do indeed have a lot to explain. It does seem bizarre to me that they would file a lawsuit to get 1 million back from Sorsby if they indeed did knowingly allow him to gamble and then play him anyway. They should have just been quiet and said "no comment" when asked anything about Sorsby if they did in fact know. It may be that the phone app is a fig leaf for plausible deniability. Obviously since the players know their phone will rat them out if they use it to gamble, they simply do it via intermediaries. The school can claim they did "all they could" when they definitely didn't.

[Goose]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/articles/br...52690.html
Obviously not from a "neutral" source but if Cincinnati really did explicitly know this gambling was going on they do indeed have a lot to explain. It does seem bizarre to me that they would file a lawsuit to get 1 million back from Sorsby if they indeed did knowingly allow him to gamble and then play him anyway. They should have just been quiet and said "no comment" when asked anything about Sorsby if they did in fact know. It may be that the phone app is a fig leaf for plausible deniability. Obviously since the players know their phone will rat them out if they use it to gamble, they simply do it via intermediaries. The school can claim they did "all they could" when they definitely didn't.

[HalloHaleakala]

What if all NFL teams pass on him and there is no Supplemental Draft? Does he return to TT?

I think, but I'm not sure, that he would become a free agent.

Correct. Only players who are not eligible for CFB can enter the supplemental draft so by definition he cannot return to college football if not drafted.

 Sorsby’s attorney indicated that he will take the necessary legal action to permit him to become eligible for the NFL draft thus ending his college career.

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I tend to agree that he will be drafted but if so there will be no guaranteed money on the table. It also wouldn't surprise me at all if he weren't drafted. There are probably teams willing to look at him as an UDFA because that costs them only the time they spend trying to make an asset out of him. Using a draft pick OTOH gives up another potential player. Given where Sorsby is in his development and with his additional baggage it is arguably not worth it.

The NFL CBA includes a guarantee for all players selected in the NFL Draft. For example, a player drafted in the middle of the third round receives a bonus of approximately $1.5M.

Unfortunately I wasn't as clear as I should have been. What I meant was that I really doubted he would be a first round pick. Therefore there almost certainly would be no guaranteed money in his contract going forward. That is important to the team because guaranteed money in the contract becomes "dead money" if a player doesn't work out and is released. IMO no team is going to put themselves in a position to take even a modest dead money cap hit to get Sorsby. The probability of him not making the team is just too high. You are of course correct that all players who get drafted receive an immediate one-time bonus proportional to their draft position.

However, for the purpose of calculating monies against the salary cap, all bonuses regardless how much they total, are spread over the length of the contract.  Therefore, a $100,000 bonus (for a low round draft choice) on a five year contract would result in $80,000 in dead money if the player is released after year one.  As you noted, beyond the bonus, a player’s annual salary is not guaranteed beyond the first season in most rookie contracts.  

I’m predicting Round 3 to the Steelers.  That gives him a chance to “redshirt” his first year behind Rodgers.

Not for nothing, but that could provide a nice image makeover of sorts in going to a model franchise like the Steelers - both he and they would likely (IMO, at least) get the BOTD from the public at large, I'd imagine. Much more so than if a more nefarious organization with a sordid history like, say, Baltimore or a similar one were to draft him.

[HalloHaleakala]

What if all NFL teams pass on him and there is no Supplemental Draft? Does he return to TT?

I think, but I'm not sure, that he would become a free agent.

Correct. Only players who are not eligible for CFB can enter the supplemental draft so by definition he cannot return to college football if not drafted.

 Sorsby’s attorney indicated that he will take the necessary legal action to permit him to become eligible for the NFL draft thus ending his college career.

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I tend to agree that he will be drafted but if so there will be no guaranteed money on the table. It also wouldn't surprise me at all if he weren't drafted. There are probably teams willing to look at him as an UDFA because that costs them only the time they spend trying to make an asset out of him. Using a draft pick OTOH gives up another potential player. Given where Sorsby is in his development and with his additional baggage it is arguably not worth it.

The NFL CBA includes a guarantee for all players selected in the NFL Draft. For example, a player drafted in the middle of the third round receives a bonus of approximately $1.5M.

Unfortunately I wasn't as clear as I should have been. What I meant was that I really doubted he would be a first round pick. Therefore there almost certainly would be no guaranteed money in his contract going forward. That is important to the team because guaranteed money in the contract becomes "dead money" if a player doesn't work out and is released. IMO no team is going to put themselves in a position to take even a modest dead money cap hit to get Sorsby. The probability of him not making the team is just too high. You are of course correct that all players who get drafted receive an immediate one-time bonus proportional to their draft position.

However, for the purpose of calculating monies against the salary cap, all bonuses regardless how much they total, are spread over the length of the contract.  Therefore, a $100,000 bonus (for a low round draft choice) on a five year contract would result in $80,000 in dead money if the player is released after year one.  As you noted, beyond the bonus, a player’s annual salary is not guaranteed beyond the first season in most rookie contracts.  

I’m predicting Round 3 to the Steelers.  That gives him a chance to “redshirt” his first year behind Rodgers.

Not for nothing, but that could provide a nice image makeover of sorts in going to a model franchise like the Steelers - both he and they would likely (IMO, at least) get the BOTD from the public at large, I'd imagine. Much more so than if a more nefarious organization with a sordid history like, say, Baltimore or a similar one were to draft him.

[fullmetal]

The NFL is notorious for acting based on a QB having "the tools". Sorsby supposedly can physically do everything a QB needs to do very well. The thought is that these are things that can't be taught. How far you can throw a football, how quick your feet are etc. is considered a natural gift. You have it or you don't. Very few humans have all the skills, or even most of them. Of course, the ability to determine on any given play exactly which skills are relevant and exactly how to use them is also necessary. The theory is those skills can be taught. Sorsby supposedly has all the tools. It is a rare enough find that some NFL personnel directors may be willing to take a chance on character, intellectual ability and reading the field. It is at best risky.

Everyone wants the next Josh Allen.  No one cares for the next Mitch Trubisky, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance...but of course, no one wants to bet on the Brock Purdys of the world either.

[fullmetal]

The NFL is notorious for acting based on a QB having "the tools". Sorsby supposedly can physically do everything a QB needs to do very well. The thought is that these are things that can't be taught. How far you can throw a football, how quick your feet are etc. is considered a natural gift. You have it or you don't. Very few humans have all the skills, or even most of them. Of course, the ability to determine on any given play exactly which skills are relevant and exactly how to use them is also necessary. The theory is those skills can be taught. Sorsby supposedly has all the tools. It is a rare enough find that some NFL personnel directors may be willing to take a chance on character, intellectual ability and reading the field. It is at best risky.

Everyone wants the next Josh Allen.  No one cares for the next Mitch Trubisky, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance...but of course, no one wants to bet on the Brock Purdys of the world either.

[BostonCard]

Plot twist… the NFL isn’t going to have a supplemental draft, leaving Sorsby SoL until the 2027 draft.

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694735...65882?s=46

BC

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Some added context from the letter:

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694739...51794?s=46

Maybe Sorsby could, you know, use the year to get an education or something.

BC

[BostonCard]

Plot twist… the NFL isn’t going to have a supplemental draft, leaving Sorsby SoL until the 2027 draft.

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694735...65882?s=46

BC

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Some added context from the letter:

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694739...51794?s=46

Maybe Sorsby could, you know, use the year to get an education or something.

BC

[Papa John]

Plot twist… the NFL isn’t going to have a supplemental draft, leaving Sorsby SoL until the 2027 draft.

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694735...65882?s=46

BC

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Some added context from the letter:

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694739...51794?s=46

Maybe Sorsby could, you know, use the year to get an education or something.

BC

That "something" could be treatment for his addiction...

[Papa John]

Plot twist… the NFL isn’t going to have a supplemental draft, leaving Sorsby SoL until the 2027 draft.

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694735...65882?s=46

BC

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Some added context from the letter:

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694739...51794?s=46

Maybe Sorsby could, you know, use the year to get an education or something.

BC

That "something" could be treatment for his addiction...

[Giants]

1782237949[/url]']
Plot twist… the NFL isn’t going to have a supplemental draft, leaving Sorsby SoL until the 2027 draft.

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694735...65882?s=46

BC

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Some added context from the letter:

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694739...51794?s=46

Maybe Sorsby could, you know, use the year to get an education or something.

BC

The decision was a pleasant surprise.  I thought it was a done deal.  Way to go, NFL.  Perhaps now the kid will realize that actions have consequences and taking responsibility for those actions and accepting the consequences is part of growing up.

[Giants]

1782237949[/url]']
Plot twist… the NFL isn’t going to have a supplemental draft, leaving Sorsby SoL until the 2027 draft.

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694735...65882?s=46

BC

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Some added context from the letter:

https://x.com/petethamel/status/20694739...51794?s=46

Maybe Sorsby could, you know, use the year to get an education or something.

BC

The decision was a pleasant surprise.  I thought it was a done deal.  Way to go, NFL.  Perhaps now the kid will realize that actions have consequences and taking responsibility for those actions and accepting the consequences is part of growing up.

[fullmetal]

It's not a given that the NFL will even have a supplemental draft in any given year, so Sorsby was really rolling the dice.  But to treat the NFL as a second fiddle option after having consequences handed down from option #1 was disrespectful anyway...

[fullmetal]

It's not a given that the NFL will even have a supplemental draft in any given year, so Sorsby was really rolling the dice.  But to treat the NFL as a second fiddle option after having consequences handed down from option #1 was disrespectful anyway...

[BostonCard]

Looks like the CFL is out too:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...oin-league

"Upholding the integrity of the league and ensuring fair competition are paramount to the CFL," the CFL said in a statement to USA Today. "The allegations involving Brendan Sorsby are serious and concerning.

"At this time, the CFL will not register a contract for him, and no team will be permitted to add him to its negotiation list."

Sorsby had not publicly expressed interest in playing in Canada, but his options are limited after the NFL decided Tuesday not to hold a supplemental draft.

BC

[BostonCard]

Looks like the CFL is out too:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...oin-league

"Upholding the integrity of the league and ensuring fair competition are paramount to the CFL," the CFL said in a statement to USA Today. "The allegations involving Brendan Sorsby are serious and concerning.

"At this time, the CFL will not register a contract for him, and no team will be permitted to add him to its negotiation list."

Sorsby had not publicly expressed interest in playing in Canada, but his options are limited after the NFL decided Tuesday not to hold a supplemental draft.

BC

[82lsju]

Looks like the CFL is out too:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...oin-league

"Upholding the integrity of the league and ensuring fair competition are paramount to the CFL," the CFL said in a statement to USA Today. "The allegations involving Brendan Sorsby are serious and concerning.

"At this time, the CFL will not register a contract for him, and no team will be permitted to add him to its negotiation list."

Sorsby had not publicly expressed interest in playing in Canada, but his options are limited after the NFL decided Tuesday not to hold a supplemental draft.

BC

the CFL is already 25% of the way through their regular season.

[82lsju]

Looks like the CFL is out too:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...oin-league

"Upholding the integrity of the league and ensuring fair competition are paramount to the CFL," the CFL said in a statement to USA Today. "The allegations involving Brendan Sorsby are serious and concerning.

"At this time, the CFL will not register a contract for him, and no team will be permitted to add him to its negotiation list."

Sorsby had not publicly expressed interest in playing in Canada, but his options are limited after the NFL decided Tuesday not to hold a supplemental draft.

BC

the CFL is already 25% of the way through their regular season.