[Cardinal96]

It is amazing what Chip Kelly has done with that program.  They don't have the NFL players that we have, much less an Alabama or LSU.  I am watching them now on ESPN and they are up 29-7 against ASU on the road early in the 2nd quarter.  This is their best defense yet.

[Cardinal96]

It is amazing what Chip Kelly has done with that program.  They don't have the NFL players that we have, much less an Alabama or LSU.  I am watching them now on ESPN and they are up 29-7 against ASU on the road early in the 2nd quarter.  This is their best defense yet.

[Farm93]

That first 20 minutes was amazing.  A turnover and one lucky play is all that ASU got.  43-7 after 20 minutes!!

Then Oregon started their slow no-huddle style.  Just amazing.

[Farm93]

That first 20 minutes was amazing.  A turnover and one lucky play is all that ASU got.  43-7 after 20 minutes!!

Then Oregon started their slow no-huddle style.  Just amazing.

[scorecard]

And an ESPN The Magazine report earlier this year estimated that between 40 and 60 percent of the Oregon football team smokes marijuana.  Can you imagine how good Oregon would be if this team wasn't so half-motivated?

[scorecard]

And an ESPN The Magazine report earlier this year estimated that between 40 and 60 percent of the Oregon football team smokes marijuana.  Can you imagine how good Oregon would be if this team wasn't so half-motivated?

[washingtonismoney]

It is amazing what Chip Kelly has done with that program.  They don't have the NFL players that we have,...

They have plenty. Come on now; don't be ridiculous.

[washingtonismoney]

It is amazing what Chip Kelly has done with that program.  They don't have the NFL players that we have,...

They have plenty. Come on now; don't be ridiculous.

[JohnR34231]

.....is than no NFL team has been successful in coming down and swooping him away as they almost certainly would have done to a Stanford coach of similar success.

As I mentioned before, I suspect Phil Knight's checkbook has at least something to do with this.

[JohnR34231]

.....is than no NFL team has been successful in coming down and swooping him away as they almost certainly would have done to a Stanford coach of similar success.

As I mentioned before, I suspect Phil Knight's checkbook has at least something to do with this.

[Rando]

Maybe people don't think Kelly will be able to run a no huddle spread option offense in the pros.

[Rando]

Maybe people don't think Kelly will be able to run a no huddle spread option offense in the pros.

[Roberton3]

Maybe people don't think Kelly will be able to run a no huddle spread option offense in the pros.

Kelly's style of offense doesn't work well when going against highly paid professional players.  Just look at how Oregon has done when playing $EC teams...



(Edited to fix a typo.)

[Roberton3]

Maybe people don't think Kelly will be able to run a no huddle spread option offense in the pros.

Kelly's style of offense doesn't work well when going against highly paid professional players.  Just look at how Oregon has done when playing $EC teams...



(Edited to fix a typo.)

[Cardinal96]

[quote author=Rando90 link=topic=6693.msg49982#msg49982 date=1350646406]
Maybe people don't think Kelly will be able to run a no huddle spread option offense in the pros.

Kelly's style of offense doesn't work well when going against a highly paid professional players.  Just look at how Oregon has done when playing $EC teams...
[/quote]

That's exactly right.  The spread offense relies on using your skill players in space against slower defenders on the opposing side.  In the NFL, that doesn't really work because the defenses are filled with speed.

If Oregon does match up against Alabama in the title game, I will probably be in the minority here in that I will pull for Alabama.  I think no-huddle, spread offenses are gimmicky.  You are taking advantage of the inability of the defense to get in substitutions.  I have a lot more appreciation for teams that play football the way I believe it was meant to be played.

[Cardinal96]

[quote author=Rando90 link=topic=6693.msg49982#msg49982 date=1350646406]
Maybe people don't think Kelly will be able to run a no huddle spread option offense in the pros.

Kelly's style of offense doesn't work well when going against a highly paid professional players.  Just look at how Oregon has done when playing $EC teams...
[/quote]

That's exactly right.  The spread offense relies on using your skill players in space against slower defenders on the opposing side.  In the NFL, that doesn't really work because the defenses are filled with speed.

If Oregon does match up against Alabama in the title game, I will probably be in the minority here in that I will pull for Alabama.  I think no-huddle, spread offenses are gimmicky.  You are taking advantage of the inability of the defense to get in substitutions.  I have a lot more appreciation for teams that play football the way I believe it was meant to be played.

[needle]

There's also the average number of plays per game to consider:

The average number of offensive plays per game this season was 69.8, an increase of 1.4 over last season, and the typical game lasted 3:14, two seconds longer than in 2010. Texas Tech led the nation at 82.8 plays per game, while Florida State averaged the fewest at 58.6.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/ne...ats_012212

In the NFL, it looks like the average is about 61 plays per game (doing the math from an article by Stephen Dubner on pass-run ratios)

http://www.nfl.com/features/freakonomics/episode-5

With fewer plays, it would likely be harder for an NFL team (through certainly not impossible) to simply wear teams out with a fast-paced offense.

[needle]

There's also the average number of plays per game to consider:

The average number of offensive plays per game this season was 69.8, an increase of 1.4 over last season, and the typical game lasted 3:14, two seconds longer than in 2010. Texas Tech led the nation at 82.8 plays per game, while Florida State averaged the fewest at 58.6.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/ne...ats_012212

In the NFL, it looks like the average is about 61 plays per game (doing the math from an article by Stephen Dubner on pass-run ratios)

http://www.nfl.com/features/freakonomics/episode-5

With fewer plays, it would likely be harder for an NFL team (through certainly not impossible) to simply wear teams out with a fast-paced offense.

[Renaissance Man]

"I have a lot more appreciation for teams that play football the way I believe it was meant to be played."


You mean in the single wing?  No forward passes?

[Renaissance Man]

"I have a lot more appreciation for teams that play football the way I believe it was meant to be played."


You mean in the single wing?  No forward passes?

[Oasis]

Oregon is a football version of Genghis Khan's Mongol horde.  They have this lethal mobility on offense and defense and Kelly wages a psychological war with the weird PAT formations and two-pointers.  It takes the best teams in the country to beat them.

[Oasis]

Oregon is a football version of Genghis Khan's Mongol horde.  They have this lethal mobility on offense and defense and Kelly wages a psychological war with the weird PAT formations and two-pointers.  It takes the best teams in the country to beat them.

[pincemob]

The part of the Oregon strategy which is bothersome and that I'd like to see addressed with rules changes are the quick snaps when the defense doesn't have time to sub, align, etc.  It seems to me they are successful in getting the officials to change their cadence to match what Oregon wants to do, i.e. the officials rush to spot the ball / move the chains when Oregon is doing their thing, but don't reciprocate by slowing down for the opponent.  It would be as if baseball allowed pitchers to throw and umps called strikes before the hitter got both feet in the batters box.  Is that indicative of skill by the pitcher?  I don't think so. 

Because it's legal now, I don't really begrudge them for it, but I'd like to see it changed.  Fewer plays would be safer also, as many people are now figuring out and discussing publicly. 

[pincemob]

The part of the Oregon strategy which is bothersome and that I'd like to see addressed with rules changes are the quick snaps when the defense doesn't have time to sub, align, etc.  It seems to me they are successful in getting the officials to change their cadence to match what Oregon wants to do, i.e. the officials rush to spot the ball / move the chains when Oregon is doing their thing, but don't reciprocate by slowing down for the opponent.  It would be as if baseball allowed pitchers to throw and umps called strikes before the hitter got both feet in the batters box.  Is that indicative of skill by the pitcher?  I don't think so. 

Because it's legal now, I don't really begrudge them for it, but I'd like to see it changed.  Fewer plays would be safer also, as many people are now figuring out and discussing publicly. 

[FarmBoy]

As long as CK's offense doesn't break any official rules, it's as legitimate as any other strategy available. I like that he exploits the conventions of the game and the inability/unwillingness to innovate on the part of other teams. I don't enjoy watching them do it to our team, but if I take off conference and team affiliation, I respect CK as someone who breaks conventions and finds new ways to win.

I'll admit, I'm not defensive guru, but watching the game last night, it seems like ASU over played the rush. It seemed like the crashed so many guys that when one of the Oregon offensive skill players sprung to the outside, there was no one left to contain. Mariota seems more than capable of making good passes if left un pressured, so perhaps it's a big of pick your poison, but it seemed like ASU picked the wrong poison last night. To beat Oregon, you're going to need lock down corners and a front 7 that can get pressure with a 3 man rush and use lateral speed to contain on the outside.

[FarmBoy]

As long as CK's offense doesn't break any official rules, it's as legitimate as any other strategy available. I like that he exploits the conventions of the game and the inability/unwillingness to innovate on the part of other teams. I don't enjoy watching them do it to our team, but if I take off conference and team affiliation, I respect CK as someone who breaks conventions and finds new ways to win.

I'll admit, I'm not defensive guru, but watching the game last night, it seems like ASU over played the rush. It seemed like the crashed so many guys that when one of the Oregon offensive skill players sprung to the outside, there was no one left to contain. Mariota seems more than capable of making good passes if left un pressured, so perhaps it's a big of pick your poison, but it seemed like ASU picked the wrong poison last night. To beat Oregon, you're going to need lock down corners and a front 7 that can get pressure with a 3 man rush and use lateral speed to contain on the outside.

[dabigv13]

To beat Oregon, you're going to need Alabama's defense

There.

I agree with norcalcard. I enjoy no-huddle football. But it does seem that the officials speed up a bit to allow the Ducks to really get rolling- as if the whole game was a last minute drive. But I don't really know if there's a good way to codify that in the rules.

[dabigv13]

To beat Oregon, you're going to need Alabama's defense

There.

I agree with norcalcard. I enjoy no-huddle football. But it does seem that the officials speed up a bit to allow the Ducks to really get rolling- as if the whole game was a last minute drive. But I don't really know if there's a good way to codify that in the rules.

[82lsju]

"I have a lot more appreciation for teams that play football the way I believe it was meant to be played."


You mean in the single wing?  No forward passes?

more likely single platoon football....... :)

[82lsju]

"I have a lot more appreciation for teams that play football the way I believe it was meant to be played."


You mean in the single wing?  No forward passes?

more likely single platoon football....... :)

[ChingisKhan]

Oregon is a football version of Genghis Khan's Mongol horde.  They have this lethal mobility on offense and defense and Kelly wages a psychological war with the weird PAT formations and two-pointers.  It takes the best teams in the country to beat them.

Good connection, although their opportunities for expansion into empire such as my ancestors are rather limited. Maybe Phil Knight should run for President :).

[ChingisKhan]

Oregon is a football version of Genghis Khan's Mongol horde.  They have this lethal mobility on offense and defense and Kelly wages a psychological war with the weird PAT formations and two-pointers.  It takes the best teams in the country to beat them.

Good connection, although their opportunities for expansion into empire such as my ancestors are rather limited. Maybe Phil Knight should run for President :).

[Renaissance Man]

I understand Nick Saban lobbying against Oregon's offense, but that is just as self-serving as Oregon proposing a weight limit for defenses.  A weight limit would certainly do more to make the game safe than eliminating the no-huddle.  Honestly, if a player can't physically handle more than three or four consecutive plays, somebody should be double-checking their fitness to play the game at all.

[Renaissance Man]

I understand Nick Saban lobbying against Oregon's offense, but that is just as self-serving as Oregon proposing a weight limit for defenses.  A weight limit would certainly do more to make the game safe than eliminating the no-huddle.  Honestly, if a player can't physically handle more than three or four consecutive plays, somebody should be double-checking their fitness to play the game at all.

[JohnR34231]

I think Kelly has a good enough football mind that if his current offense won't work in the pros he'll find one that does.

I also hope we have a chance to find out soon, because it seems that the Ducks become more dominant in the Pac-12 with each passing year.

[JohnR34231]

I think Kelly has a good enough football mind that if his current offense won't work in the pros he'll find one that does.

I also hope we have a chance to find out soon, because it seems that the Ducks become more dominant in the Pac-12 with each passing year.

[OutsiderFan]

Is Oregon's dominance an indictment on the abilities of the other coaches in the Pac-12? 

It seems to me that when everyone is playing the same game, and one team is so dominant over the competition, you need to look at what is wrong with those being dominated as much as you need to look at what makes the dominant one so successful.

To me, Chip Kelly totally rejects the conventional wisdom on which the vast majority of his coaching peers rely.

[OutsiderFan]

Is Oregon's dominance an indictment on the abilities of the other coaches in the Pac-12? 

It seems to me that when everyone is playing the same game, and one team is so dominant over the competition, you need to look at what is wrong with those being dominated as much as you need to look at what makes the dominant one so successful.

To me, Chip Kelly totally rejects the conventional wisdom on which the vast majority of his coaching peers rely.

[JeffInCorvallis]

I think you guys are missing the point.  While Chip Kelly is certainly a good coach and has been able to take Oregon to the BCS championship game, but he's riding on the shoulders of coaches and players who came before him.  Oregon has made it part of its institutional goals to enter and permanently stay in the elite of college football.  We can argue about if that is an appropriate goal for an educational institution, but there it is.  Back 10-15 years ago when the product on the field didn't attract a lot of attention they did goofy stuff to attract attention like adopting garish uniforms and putting up billboards in Times Square.  Bellotti got them onto the no-huddle sped-up spread offense.  Of course, it helps to have Phil Knight in your back pocket, too, as they have seriously upgraded facilities.  The expansion to Autzen Stadium makes it one of the nicer stadiums in the classic Pac-10 (even after other schools have upgraded) and they have a first-class indoor facility (essential in Oregon).  They have a lot of other perks for athletes.  Their marketing has made UO football the must-see event in this part of Oregon.  Helps to not have any pro teams for miles around.

They have made very deliberate coaching changes, with Bellotti groomed to replace Brooks, and it was well-known that Kelly was the replacement for Bellotti when he retired.  I'd be surprised if they didn't have a contingency plan already in place for when/if Kelly jumps to the NFL.

I'm not a big fan of everything they've done (one of my more reviled opponents, probably because I live in Oregon and have to deal with all the hype).  However, I grudgingly give them credit for building a top-tier program from the ashes of pretty much nothing in the mid-80's.  And they seem to have done it with a long-range plan.  For what it's worth, I think Bill Moos laid a lot of that ground work, although at some point he crossed Phil Knight and got booted.  Now he's the AD at Washington State, and although they have some serious issues with remoteness and small town nature of Pullman don't be surprised if they manage to put together a decent program there in a few years.

[JeffInCorvallis]

I think you guys are missing the point.  While Chip Kelly is certainly a good coach and has been able to take Oregon to the BCS championship game, but he's riding on the shoulders of coaches and players who came before him.  Oregon has made it part of its institutional goals to enter and permanently stay in the elite of college football.  We can argue about if that is an appropriate goal for an educational institution, but there it is.  Back 10-15 years ago when the product on the field didn't attract a lot of attention they did goofy stuff to attract attention like adopting garish uniforms and putting up billboards in Times Square.  Bellotti got them onto the no-huddle sped-up spread offense.  Of course, it helps to have Phil Knight in your back pocket, too, as they have seriously upgraded facilities.  The expansion to Autzen Stadium makes it one of the nicer stadiums in the classic Pac-10 (even after other schools have upgraded) and they have a first-class indoor facility (essential in Oregon).  They have a lot of other perks for athletes.  Their marketing has made UO football the must-see event in this part of Oregon.  Helps to not have any pro teams for miles around.

They have made very deliberate coaching changes, with Bellotti groomed to replace Brooks, and it was well-known that Kelly was the replacement for Bellotti when he retired.  I'd be surprised if they didn't have a contingency plan already in place for when/if Kelly jumps to the NFL.

I'm not a big fan of everything they've done (one of my more reviled opponents, probably because I live in Oregon and have to deal with all the hype).  However, I grudgingly give them credit for building a top-tier program from the ashes of pretty much nothing in the mid-80's.  And they seem to have done it with a long-range plan.  For what it's worth, I think Bill Moos laid a lot of that ground work, although at some point he crossed Phil Knight and got booted.  Now he's the AD at Washington State, and although they have some serious issues with remoteness and small town nature of Pullman don't be surprised if they manage to put together a decent program there in a few years.