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Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - Spiny_Norman - 09-24-2018

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RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - washingtonismoney - 09-24-2018

I wonder if this stat is as much an endorsement of Holder as Adebo.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - Langdude - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 10:21 AM)washingtonismoney Wrote: I wonder if this stat is as much an endorsement of Holder as Adebo.

+1.

-m.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - Row80Critic - 09-24-2018

I posted on another thread about Adebo. He's no doubt helped by Holder and others, but Adebo's star (NFL) quality stands tall all by itself. Maybe because he's young, but it seems like teams keep throwing at him a lot, not seeming to notice his arms are 12 feet long when needed. He's the real deal and I'm not surprised by that stat.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - PalmTree - 09-24-2018

Agree with others here that Paulson's play so far has been mighty, mighty impressive indeed. That said, I'm looking forward to seeing how KJ and our receivers do against Justin Love and Byron Murphy in our upcoming games. First things first, though - Justin Love, come on down...

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - BostonCard - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 10:21 AM)washingtonismoney Wrote: I wonder if this stat is as much an endorsement of Holder as Adebo.

Yes, it is. It is worth noting that with the game on the line in overtime, Oregon/Herbert never challenged Holder. Adebo was challenged first, second, and third down an successfully defended all three passes.

BC

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - ChicagoCard - 09-24-2018

Just one quibble, I think Holder broke up the 4th-down throw that resulted in Murphy's pick.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - murky - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 11:22 AM)ChicagoCard Wrote: Just one quibble, I think Holder broke up the 4th-down throw that resulted in Murphy's pick.

Adebo only bats down any ball thrown near his guy. Holder tips it for interception.

Okay, joking aside, we had nothing to gain but the stat for the interception. That last ball couldn't hit the ground fast enough for my tastes.

Incredible to think we could have our best cover corners ever after some of the recents.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - BostonCard - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 11:40 AM)murky Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 11:22 AM)ChicagoCard Wrote: Just one quibble, I think Holder broke up the 4th-down throw that resulted in Murphy's pick.

Adebo only bats down any ball thrown near his guy. Holder tips it for interception.

Okay, joking aside, we had nothing to gain but the stat for the interception. That last ball couldn't hit the ground fast enough for my tastes.

Incredible to think we could have our best cover corners ever after some of the recents.

Crazy to think that Quentin Meeks left early for the NFL and our corners improved. I wonder which between Meeks, Holder, and Adebo would play the nickel?

BC

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - washingtonismoney - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 11:44 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Crazy to think that Quentin Meeks left early for the NFL and our corners improved. I wonder which between Meeks, Holder, and Adebo would play the nickel?

I think probably Meeks -- his best full year, for my money, was his first. That year, he played nickel. And while I've got great respect for a lot of Murphy's game he's been roasted a lot against SC and Oregon. That spot looks like a weak one.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - cardcoug - 09-24-2018

Whats the difference between a defended and a broken up pass?

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - OutsiderFan - 09-24-2018

The next step for Adebo will be for Anderkina to trust him in press man coverage. Will they put him on an island? He gave big cushions to Oregon WRs and Herbert ate it up. Still, Herbert had to make some brilliant throws to avoid Adebo knocking several more passes away.

I told a buddy of mine I think Adebo will be Stanford's best CB since Darrien Gordon. And yes, that includes Sherman, who while good at Stanford, became better at the NFL level given his position switch from WR to CB. He just became better with more reps at the position.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - BostonCard - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 12:11 PM)cardcoug Wrote: Whats the difference between a defended and a broken up pass?

PD = PBU + INT

BC

(09-24-2018, 12:23 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The next step for Adebo will be for Anderkina to trust him in press man coverage. Will they put him on an island? He gave big cushions to Oregon WRs and Herbert ate it up. Still, Herbert had to make some brilliant throws to avoid Adebo knocking several more passes away.

I told a buddy of mine I think Adebo will be Stanford's best CB since Darrien Gordon. And yes, that includes Sherman, who while good at Stanford, became better at the NFL level given his position switch from WR to CB. He just became better with more reps at the position.

This is conjecture on my part, but I think that our injuries at safety resulted in Anderson/Akina adjusting the game plan to play off the receivers. Herbert had been struggling a bit with accuracy, and the receivers had struggled with drops (why didn't they do that against us). I suspect the thinking was that with less experienced safeties, you don't want Oregon to beat you over the top. It was clearly a mistake, but we started playing tighter in the second half. And in overtime, where the field limits the downside of of teams beating you over the top, we played a lot tighter.

But I agree that our cornerbacks are talented enough to play tight coverage going forward and the game plan should take that into account.

BC

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - CTcard - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 11:44 AM)BostonCard Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 11:40 AM)murky Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 11:22 AM)ChicagoCard Wrote: Just one quibble, I think Holder broke up the 4th-down throw that resulted in Murphy's pick.

Adebo only bats down any ball thrown near his guy. Holder tips it for interception.

Okay, joking aside, we had nothing to gain but the stat for the interception. That last ball couldn't hit the ground fast enough for my tastes.

Incredible to think we could have our best cover corners ever after some of the recents.

Crazy to think that Quentin Meeks left early for the NFL and our corners improved. I wonder which between Meeks, Holder, and Adebo would play the nickel?

BC

Adebo has made a ton of great plays. He also has appeared a lot in run support, leading to him being tied for third on the team in tackles.
At this point he still makes some mistakes, however.
I'd say he has more potential than Holder, but not certain he is a better corner right now.

The problem is that after these two there is a considerable drop in coverage skills of our corners. Thus, if Meeks were still here I think it would help our nickel coverage tremendously. [And my guess is Adebo would be the nominal nickel because of those frosh mistakes, but he'd likely play just about even snaps.]

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - Griffins78 - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 11:22 AM)ChicagoCard Wrote: Just one quibble, I think Holder broke up the 4th-down throw that resulted in Murphy's pick.

He first looked for Dillon Mitchell - his best receiver - each play, going against Adebo. On that last play, our safety rolled over to double up Mitchell over the middle which is why Herbert threw towards Holder. To me, it looked like Holder baited Herbert because he played off so Herbert thought he was open but Holder closed quickly and easily knocked the ball away.

I also think teams are staying away from Holder and think they can beat the red-shirt freshman, Adebo. This is the best pair of CBs I've seen at Stanford.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - BostonCard - 09-24-2018

When was the last time we had a first team all-Pac 12 cornerback? Meeks was second team last year, and I haven't seen a corner so nominated going back to 2013.

I think we have a chance of having one first teamer and one second teamer.

BC

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - SamuelMcF - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 01:48 PM)BostonCard Wrote: When was the last time we had a first team all-Pac 12 cornerback? Meeks was second team last year, and I haven't seen a corner so nominated going back to 2013.

You missed Ronnie Harris, who was 2nd team in 2015: https://pac-12.com/article/2015/12/01/pac-12-football-all-conference-team-announced

As far as I can see, the last time we had a first team all-conference cornerback was Tank Williams, first-team all-Pac 10 (and all-American) in 2001. Wow.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - Langdude - 09-24-2018

I remember when our CBs were Kevin Scott and Alan Grant. That was a great pair.

-m.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - OutsiderFan - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 02:04 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 01:48 PM)BostonCard Wrote: When was the last time we had a first team all-Pac 12 cornerback? Meeks was second team last year, and I haven't seen a corner so nominated going back to 2013.

You missed Ronnie Harris, who was 2nd team in 2015: https://pac-12.com/article/2015/12/01/pac-12-football-all-conference-team-announced

As far as I can see, the last time we had a first team all-conference cornerback was Tank Williams, first-team all-Pac 10 (and all-American) in 2001. Wow.

Tank was a Safety.

RE: Paulson Adebo - national leader in passes defended and broken up - SamuelMcF - 09-24-2018

(09-24-2018, 02:06 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 02:04 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 01:48 PM)BostonCard Wrote: When was the last time we had a first team all-Pac 12 cornerback? Meeks was second team last year, and I haven't seen a corner so nominated going back to 2013.

You missed Ronnie Harris, who was 2nd team in 2015: https://pac-12.com/article/2015/12/01/pac-12-football-all-conference-team-announced

As far as I can see, the last time we had a first team all-conference cornerback was Tank Williams, first-team all-Pac 10 (and all-American) in 2001. Wow.

Tank was a Safety.

Yeah, I just looked it up and you're right. Then I have no idea.

In my defense, I was 7 years old at the time.