MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread

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RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - doubledub - 11-15-2022

(11-15-2022, 08:28 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:18 PM)burger Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:14 PM)doubledub Wrote: The offense we run is dumb. Harrison Ingram is routinely being guarded by someone much smaller, but we have him floating on the perimeter. And in the first half we had him bringing the ball up the Court. What kind of stupidity is this? Post him up!

I've been saying the same for years. We have Raynaud dribbling from outside the 3-point line. Criminal misuse of players.

Ingram is the one guy you have they can really create and distribute the ball. You’re not gonna waste him by sticking him down on the block. Do you even know if he can play with his back to the basket? Post play is not something that you get a whole lot of these days.

The days of taking a seven footer (Reynaud) and sticking him on the block are over. It’s not the way the games played anymore. It’s a simple as that

Silva and/or McConnell can playmaker as well as Ingram, so why waste his energy bringing thr ball up the court? And he can play in the post - I have seen it. And then Haase yanked S Jones after he made a 3...why?

This all makes me wonder...what is he selling that makes this kids come here? It isn't "improve your game" or go to the tournament. Maybe he promises to be respectful to them and not cuss them out? That is no small thing for some kids I bet.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - winflop - 11-15-2022

(11-15-2022, 08:18 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:15 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:12 PM)lex24 Wrote: Wow. That’s the third open three air ball. I truly can’t remember last time I saw that.

(11-15-2022, 07:49 PM)winflop Wrote: Took advantage of the offer of free tickets. Aztecs are getting many more open looks, and they are making more of them than we are

Some decent defense in the last five minutes kept us within striking distance. Only down 11 at the half against a faster, more talented, and better coached team

Amazing how faster and more talented helps a coach look better…..

Four top 25 recruiting classes and this is what we get? Sorry but I bet SDSU doesn’t have that kind of recruiting track record, and yet they are clearly the better team.

I truly don’t care about recruiting rankings. Look at the teams on the floor and if you can suggest to me that Stanford has close to the talent San Diego state does well we’re watching different basketball games. The quickness difference is massive. And Stanford’s shooting is atrocious. With good looks

And whose fault is that???

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - lex24 - 11-15-2022

(11-15-2022, 08:34 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:18 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:15 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:12 PM)lex24 Wrote: Wow. That’s the third open three air ball. I truly can’t remember last time I saw that.

(11-15-2022, 07:49 PM)winflop Wrote: Took advantage of the offer of free tickets. Aztecs are getting many more open looks, and they are making more of them than we are

Some decent defense in the last five minutes kept us within striking distance. Only down 11 at the half against a faster, more talented, and better coached team

Amazing how faster and more talented helps a coach look better…..

Four top 25 recruiting classes and this is what we get? Sorry but I bet SDSU doesn’t have that kind of recruiting track record, and yet they are clearly the better team.

I truly don’t care about recruiting rankings. Look at the teams on the floor and if you can suggest to me that Stanford has close to the talent San Diego state does well we’re watching different basketball games. The quickness difference is massive. And Stanford’s shooting is atrocious. With good looks

And whose fault is that???

Are you suggesting that when a kid gets a wide-open look and shoots an air ball it’s the coaches fault? Give me a freaking break.

(11-15-2022, 08:34 PM)doubledub Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:28 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:18 PM)burger Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 08:14 PM)doubledub Wrote: The offense we run is dumb. Harrison Ingram is routinely being guarded by someone much smaller, but we have him floating on the perimeter. And in the first half we had him bringing the ball up the Court. What kind of stupidity is this? Post him up!

I've been saying the same for years. We have Raynaud dribbling from outside the 3-point line. Criminal misuse of players.

Ingram is the one guy you have they can really create and distribute the ball. You’re not gonna waste him by sticking him down on the block. Do you even know if he can play with his back to the basket? Post play is not something that you get a whole lot of these days.

The days of taking a seven footer (Reynaud) and sticking him on the block are over. It’s not the way the games played anymore. It’s a simple as that

Silva and/or McConnell can playmaker as well as Ingram, so why waste his energy bringing thr ball up the court? And he can play in the post - I have seen it. And then Haase yanked S Jones after he made a 3...why?

This all makes me wonder...what is he selling that makes this kids come here? It isn't "improve your game" or go to the tournament. Maybe he promises to be respectful to them and not cuss them out? That is no small thing for some kids I bet.

It’s not just bringing the ball up the floor. It’s being able to blow by somebody. It’s being able to be an offensive threat shooting the basketball. It’s being able to run and trigger an offense.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - winflop - 11-15-2022

Of course not lex. But the fact that the other team gets far more of them, makes fewer turnovers, etc. yes that’s 100% on Haase

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - Crafter Artisan - 11-15-2022

November: "Look at their talent, how in the world were they picked to end up in 5th place?"
February-March: "Look at their coaching, how in the world were they picked to end up in 5th place?"

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - lex24 - 11-15-2022

(11-15-2022, 08:55 PM)winflop Wrote: Of course not lex. But the fact that the other team gets far more of them, makes fewer turnovers, etc. yes that’s 100% on Haase

I’m not defending Haase. All I’m saying is watching this basketball game there was one team that had significantly more talent (especially quickness) and the other team shot the ball poorly. That combination is not gonna lead to a win. Stanford had plenty of good looks. As I said earlier, I can’t remember a major college basketball game where I saw three wide-open looks that were air balls. The shooting was atrocious.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - winflop - 11-15-2022

Well at least we can agree that this team is nowhere near good enough to make the tournament. Just like every other Haase team. This will be his last season on the Farm.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - old spanish trail - 11-15-2022

Just finished the tape. I was watching Trump's announcement. I know alot of you guys don't like Bill Walton, but we don't mind him at all. He always says in several ways how great Stanford is, and why would you ever leave, etc. He wanders alot, but by the end of the game he has analyzed the team and its problems. He always praises Haase; tonight he praises his recruiting. But he also said our players aren't as quick or effiicient as SDS, after praising strength coach Mike Chapman says our players aren't as strong as SDS, that we pass ball around and don't run off ball screens, that Ingram needs to assert himself, etc.

To me, they look just like last year's team. M Jones scored 31 in first game, but I expect that will be high water mark. He's no better than O'connell or Silva on both off and def. Too bad. Have to admit I was hoping for more. And, worst of all, it's boring bb.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - BostonCard - 11-15-2022

(11-15-2022, 09:03 PM)Crafter Artisan Wrote: November: "Look at their talent, how in the world were they picked to end up in 5th place?"
February-March: "Look at their coaching, how in the world were they picked to end up in 5th place?"

The way things are going, it won’t take until February.

BC

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - MV72018 - 11-15-2022

(11-15-2022, 07:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I see the suckage that is the men's basketball team continues unabated from the disaster that was the game against Wisconsin. We are less than 10 minutes in, and SDSU has a 20-9 lead.

BC

I get the feeling you're more willing to cut the football team some slack than you are the men's basketball team. Or do you think that "suckage" applies at least as much to Shaw's stalwarts as it does to Haase's hoopsters?

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - chrisk - 11-16-2022

Cal lost to a less renowned team from San Diego.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - BostonCard - 11-16-2022

(11-15-2022, 11:48 PM)MV72018 Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 07:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I see the suckage that is the men's basketball team continues unabated from the disaster that was the game against Wisconsin. We are less than 10 minutes in, and SDSU has a 20-9 lead.

BC

I get the feeling you're more willing to cut the football team some slack than you are the men's basketball team. Or do you think that "suckage" applies at least as much to Shaw's stalwarts as it does to Haase's hoopsters?

At this point the suckage he is similar, with very similar patterns across the two sports. But at least Shaw has some historical accomplishments to fall back on, with success within the last five years (we won the pac-12 north in 2017 and went to a bowl game in 2018). In his entire 6+ year tenure, Haase has *never* been to an NCAA tournament.

As those memories of football glory fade, they have less and less relevance to today. But if I had to pick one of the two coaches to keep, I’d pick the one who has demonstrated success at Stanford over the one who hasn’t.

BC

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - winflop - 11-16-2022

(11-16-2022, 08:14 AM)BostonCard Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 11:48 PM)MV72018 Wrote:
(11-15-2022, 07:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I see the suckage that is the men's basketball team continues unabated from the disaster that was the game against Wisconsin. We are less than 10 minutes in, and SDSU has a 20-9 lead.

BC

I get the feeling you're more willing to cut the football team some slack than you are the men's basketball team. Or do you think that "suckage" applies at least as much to Shaw's stalwarts as it does to Haase's hoopsters?

At this point the suckage he is similar, with very similar patterns across the two sports. But at least Shaw has some historical accomplishments to fall back on, with success within the last five years (we won the pac-12 north in 2017 and went to a bowl game in 2018). In his entire 6+ year tenure, Haase has *never* been to an NCAA tournament.

As those memories of football glory fade, they have less and less relevance to today. But if I had to pick one of the two coaches to keep, I’d pick the one who has demonstrated success at Stanford over the one who hasn’t.

BC

As you correctly point out, Shaw has his previous years to fall back on and Haase doesn't. But the suckage isn't anywhere near the same.

If Haase were doing as poorly as Shaw, MBB would be winning <10 games per season not 15 and he'd all but certainly already be gone. If Shaw were doing as mediocre as Haase, there likely wouldn't be any questions about his job as football would be somewhere between 5-7 and 7-5.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - BostonCard - 11-16-2022

The issue is that records in football and basketball cannot be compared as an apples to apples comparison. Generally speaking, because there are more games in basketball, there are more opportunities to schedule cupcakes, so you can't take a .250 record in football and apply it to basketball. My broad heuristic is that generally speaking a "successful" football season is making a bowl game, and a successful basketball season is making the NCAA tournament (or NIT if you are generous). Haase has made the NIT once in his career at Stanford, and the tournament zero times.

Below that level, I draw little distinction.

BC

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - SamuelMcF - 11-17-2022

(11-16-2022, 08:23 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The issue is that records in football and basketball cannot be compared as an apples to apples comparison. Generally speaking, because there are more games in basketball, there are more opportunities to schedule cupcakes, so you can't take a .250 record in football and apply it to basketball. My broad heuristic is that generally speaking a "successful" football season is making a bowl game, and a successful basketball season is making the NCAA tournament (or NIT if you are generous). Haase has made the NIT once in his career at Stanford, and the tournament zero times.

Below that level, I draw little distinction.

BC

Half of football teams make a bowl, and cupcake wins count towards bowl eligibility.

1/6 of basketball teams make the NCAA tournament, and cupcake wins mean next to nothing towards selection.

RE: MBB: Stanford vs. #17/19 San Diego State Game Thread - BostonCard - 11-17-2022

There are 124 FBS teams, while there are 358 Div 1 NCAA men's basketball teams, a large number of which are in one-bid conferences, so the fact that 1/6 of men's basketball teams make the tournament is neither here nor there. Roughly a similar number of Pac-12 teams make a bowl game as make a post-season basketball tournament.

BC