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RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - WBB fan - 04-09-2024
(04-09-2024, 11:39 PM)chrisk Wrote: Contrary to some uninformed speculation, she said tonight that the move to the ACC was not a factor in her decision.
Uninformed, yes, and I take her at her word re this. But I don't think feeling about moving to the ACC is the same thing about feelings a sense of loss at the demise of the Pac 12.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - Nobadeer - 04-10-2024
"Stanford, led by VanDerveer since 1985, is joining the ACC.
'It’s heartbreaking,' said VanDerveer, a Women’s Basketball Hall of Famer and the winningest coach in the history of the sport. 'I’m in a bad dream. This is a nightmare.' "
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/pac-12-collapse-stanford-tara-vanderveer-laments-breakup-move-to-acc/
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - Jskass - 04-10-2024
Classy all the way - even waiting in order to keep positive attention focused on Iowa and South Carolina-Dawn! Tara will always be the best in many ways, even if Geno passes her!
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - 81alum - 04-10-2024
For almost 10 years now I have wondered, nearly every year, when this day would come. She came close, she said, in 2014. Tara herself has said, more than once, that she also wonders every year at the end of the season, but that her momentary thoughts of retirement vanish within a few days. I guess this time she figured it out earlier so that she was more confident that her feelings on retirement would not change.
Tara, Bill Walsh, and Mike Montgomery are the reasons I became a Stanford sports fan. They were all capable of "getting" the Stanford environment and promoting excellence in their sport in a elite academic institution. It is a tough thing to do--much more difficult that being a great coach at any other university. And of the three, only Tara sustained it for decades. She was the epitome of greatness at Stanford, and due to changes in the game, her achievement will never be repeated.
https://theathletic.com/5404313/2024/04/09/tara-vanderveer-retirement-college-basketball/
What gets me the most is not just Tara's retirement, but that it symbolizes the retirement of an entire era of WBB. She always wanted WBB to become equal to men's, with just as many professional opportunities and just as much TV coverage. That has finally begun to happen. But as it does, so too does the focus of the game shift, and the values that made me prefer WBB are now fading. When Montgomery left I lost interest in MBB. When Shaw left (or even a little before) I finally (after 40 years) lost interest in football. Will the same happen for WBB? I hope it does not.
Yes, there are rightful concerns about the transition with players, but let's not lose sight of the transition with the fans. Several of the season ticket holders who sit around me mentioned that they wondered if this would be their last year--but they kept coming for Tara. The fans at Maples are aging and many are about the same age as Tara. Many were attracted to become Stanford WBB fans because of Tara's role in Title IX and being a truly great leader for women. I can see a lot of them "retiring" as fans as well. Basketball was never the only--and in some cases not even the most important--reason for being a fan of the team for them.
Kate emphatically is the right person for the job--she knows the Stanford environment from every angle. She is also a superb Xs and Os coach, and has been the most successful game planner for the team for years. Her scouting reports are second to none. USC wanted her a decade ago and she declined so as to remain as Associate Head Coach at Stanford, so she and all else have known of this transition for a decade. Recruits no doubt have been aware of Tara's age and they have had to know about succession plans as well. (And, as a side note, we will have probably the brightest coach possibly in the history of sports. Not too many athletics coaches with Stanford MBA/JD degrees. Not that it will necessarily translate into basketball success.)
I suspect that getting this transition behind us is probably necessary for recruiting. For years now talk of Tara's possible retirement has been a constant drag on recruiting, and this will end. No doubt Kate will have different recruiting challenges until/unless she can achieve success in wins and losses--a daunting task. As far as losing current players to transfer--I doubt it.
Amy Tucker's retirement a few years ago is, I think, a model. Yes, she retired, but she is there at every game and is still known and beloved by all the players. Tara, I imagine, will be following a similar path--if Kate stays. I expect Tara will still be involved for a few years and Kate will welcome that. This will therefore be radically different from the departure of Pat Summit at Tennessee. Holly Warlick was not Kate Paye, and Holly did not have Pat genuinely around to assist in transition.
Finally, let me echo others and say that Tara has given me decades of fun and pleasure--not only watching a lot of winning basketball, but watching her develop teams, watching her as an educator. Her transition becomes a transition for all of us, now. Thank you Tara.
76lsjumb - 76lsjumb - 04-10-2024
According to Craig Melvin on The Today Show this morning, Tara’s career wins record is “one of those records that will never be broken,” … which shows how much he knows about women’s basketball. Unless he knows something we don’t, I suppose… :-)
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - BobK - 04-10-2024
Great post 81. Plus Kate turned down Washington that same year
Shocking of course but we all knew someday
In the Mercury story she was asked in 2000 how much longer will you coach. “Well not 20 more years”. Nope 24 more
We have been beyond lucky and gifted
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - terry - 04-10-2024
(04-09-2024, 08:10 PM)82lsju Wrote:(04-09-2024, 08:04 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: If there was even a shadow of a doubt that a deal wouldn’t be worked out with Kate, you can bet they wouldn’t have mentioned it in the press release. Speculation on my part, but they may not have wanted to announce it as a done deal so as not to steal any attention away from Tara’s moment.
so then why have the announcement about Tara at what appears to be ~8pm PT, you'd think it would make more sense to have it tomorrow (or maybe to have had it this) morning to get more coverage.
Maybe the news had leaked, and Stanford decided to make the announcement sooner than planned so that they could get in front of the news. That could explain the timing of the announcement and the reason that they didn't have the final deal done with Kate Paye.
We knew this day was coming, but it's still a shock. No offense to Kate Paye, but I feel like this is really bad news for Stanford. I hope I'm wrong.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - jacket3ree - 04-10-2024
Her name on the floor at minimum, right?
Why is this shocking? If I'm still working past 70, something has gone horribly wrong. (Or....horribly right!) Kudos to her for leaving the grind to enjoy retirement while healthy. More kudos for waiting until after the title game to announce anything, and for not doing a farewell tour, which to be honest, would have been weird in a new league.
Seems like a good time to me. She got the third title, the sport has radically changed, and there is some writing on the wall about traveling three time zones to get ACC sand kicked in the face. Not a stretch to see Stanford as the next Tennessee, or worse, the next ODU. She has better things to do than that.
Paye has her work cut out. Easier to be the guy after the guy after the guy.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - WBB fan - 04-10-2024
(04-10-2024, 04:50 AM)81alum Wrote: For almost 10 years now I have wondered, nearly every year, when this day would come. She came close, she said, in 2014. Tara herself has said, more than once, that she also wonders every year at the end of the season, but that her momentary thoughts of retirement vanish within a few days. I guess this time she figured it out earlier so that she was more confident that her feelings on retirement would not change.
Tara, Bill Walsh, and Mike Montgomery are the reasons I became a Stanford sports fan. They were all capable of "getting" the Stanford environment and promoting excellence in their sport in a elite academic institution. It is a tough thing to do--much more difficult that being a great coach at any other university. And of the three, only Tara sustained it for decades. She was the epitome of greatness at Stanford, and due to changes in the game, her achievement will never be repeated.
https://theathletic.com/5404313/2024/04/09/tara-vanderveer-retirement-college-basketball/
What gets me the most is not just Tara's retirement, but that it symbolizes the retirement of an entire era of WBB. She always wanted WBB to become equal to men's, with just as many professional opportunities and just as much TV coverage. That has finally begun to happen. But as it does, so too does the focus of the game shift, and the values that made me prefer WBB are now fading. When Montgomery left I lost interest in MBB. When Shaw left (or even a little before) I finally (after 40 years) lost interest in football. Will the same happen for WBB? I hope it does not.
Yes, there are rightful concerns about the transition with players, but let's not lose sight of the transition with the fans. Several of the season ticket holders who sit around me mentioned that they wondered if this would be their last year--but they kept coming for Tara. The fans at Maples are aging and many are about the same age as Tara. Many were attracted to become Stanford WBB fans because of Tara's role in Title IX and being a truly great leader for women. I can see a lot of them "retiring" as fans as well. Basketball was never the only--and in some cases not even the most important--reason for being a fan of the team for them.
Kate emphatically is the right person for the job--she knows the Stanford environment from every angle. She is also a superb Xs and Os coach, and has been the most successful game planner for the team for years. Her scouting reports are second to none. USC wanted her a decade ago and she declined so as to remain as Associate Head Coach at Stanford, so she and all else have known of this transition for a decade. Recruits no doubt have been aware of Tara's age and they have had to know about succession plans as well. (And, as a side note, we will have probably the brightest coach possibly in the history of sports. Not too many athletics coaches with Stanford MBA/JD degrees. Not that it will necessarily translate into basketball success.)
I suspect that getting this transition behind us is probably necessary for recruiting. For years now talk of Tara's possible retirement has been a constant drag on recruiting, and this will end. No doubt Kate will have different recruiting challenges until/unless she can achieve success in wins and losses--a daunting task. As far as losing current players to transfer--I doubt it.
Amy Tucker's retirement a few years ago is, I think, a model. Yes, she retired, but she is there at every game and is still known and beloved by all the players. Tara, I imagine, will be following a similar path--if Kate stays. I expect Tara will still be involved for a few years and Kate will welcome that. This will therefore be radically different from the departure of Pat Summit at Tennessee. Holly Warlick was not Kate Paye, and Holly did not have Pat genuinely around to assist in transition.
Finally, let me echo others and say that Tara has given me decades of fun and pleasure--not only watching a lot of winning basketball, but watching her develop teams, watching her as an educator. Her transition becomes a transition for all of us, now. Thank you Tara.
Great post, 81. Thanks for expressing so much of what I feel as well.
Anne Killion's piece re Tara in the SF Chron -- great article.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/tara-vanderveer-steps-away-women-s-game-brought-19394940.php?utm_content=cta&sid=53ba715ea256abba1800087a&ss=A&st_rid=3c12701c-fee5-4243-a806-0929278fbb67&utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_term=headlines&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc2ZjaHJvbmljbGUuY29tL3Nwb3J0cy9jb2xsZWdlL2FydGljbGUvdGFyYS12YW5kZXJ2ZWVyLXN0ZXBzLWF3YXktd29tZW4tcy1nYW1lLWJyb3VnaHQtMTkzOTQ5NDAucGhw&time=MTcxMjc2ODAxMjIzNQ%3D%3D&rid=M2MxMjcwMWMtZmVlNS00MjQzLWE4MDYtMDkyOTI3OGZiYjY3&sharecount=MA%3D%3D
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - Hurlburt88 - 04-10-2024
one of my reactions is just how classy Tara has handled this . . . again. Waited so as not to distract from tournament, but done before banquet so team can absorb. the background screen on my phone is the 2022 WBB team, and I always noted Tara was not in the pic. Consistently about others, not her.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - Maple Leaf - 04-10-2024
(04-10-2024, 09:48 AM)WBB fan Wrote:(04-10-2024, 04:50 AM)81alum Wrote: For almost 10 years now I have wondered, nearly every year, when this day would come. She came close, she said, in 2014. Tara herself has said, more than once, that she also wonders every year at the end of the season, but that her momentary thoughts of retirement vanish within a few days. I guess this time she figured it out earlier so that she was more confident that her feelings on retirement would not change.
Tara, Bill Walsh, and Mike Montgomery are the reasons I became a Stanford sports fan. They were all capable of "getting" the Stanford environment and promoting excellence in their sport in a elite academic institution. It is a tough thing to do--much more difficult that being a great coach at any other university. And of the three, only Tara sustained it for decades. She was the epitome of greatness at Stanford, and due to changes in the game, her achievement will never be repeated.
https://theathletic.com/5404313/2024/04/09/tara-vanderveer-retirement-college-basketball/
What gets me the most is not just Tara's retirement, but that it symbolizes the retirement of an entire era of WBB. She always wanted WBB to become equal to men's, with just as many professional opportunities and just as much TV coverage. That has finally begun to happen. But as it does, so too does the focus of the game shift, and the values that made me prefer WBB are now fading. When Montgomery left I lost interest in MBB. When Shaw left (or even a little before) I finally (after 40 years) lost interest in football. Will the same happen for WBB? I hope it does not.
Yes, there are rightful concerns about the transition with players, but let's not lose sight of the transition with the fans. Several of the season ticket holders who sit around me mentioned that they wondered if this would be their last year--but they kept coming for Tara. The fans at Maples are aging and many are about the same age as Tara. Many were attracted to become Stanford WBB fans because of Tara's role in Title IX and being a truly great leader for women. I can see a lot of them "retiring" as fans as well. Basketball was never the only--and in some cases not even the most important--reason for being a fan of the team for them.
Kate emphatically is the right person for the job--she knows the Stanford environment from every angle. She is also a superb Xs and Os coach, and has been the most successful game planner for the team for years. Her scouting reports are second to none. USC wanted her a decade ago and she declined so as to remain as Associate Head Coach at Stanford, so she and all else have known of this transition for a decade. Recruits no doubt have been aware of Tara's age and they have had to know about succession plans as well. (And, as a side note, we will have probably the brightest coach possibly in the history of sports. Not too many athletics coaches with Stanford MBA/JD degrees. Not that it will necessarily translate into basketball success.)
I suspect that getting this transition behind us is probably necessary for recruiting. For years now talk of Tara's possible retirement has been a constant drag on recruiting, and this will end. No doubt Kate will have different recruiting challenges until/unless she can achieve success in wins and losses--a daunting task. As far as losing current players to transfer--I doubt it.
Amy Tucker's retirement a few years ago is, I think, a model. Yes, she retired, but she is there at every game and is still known and beloved by all the players. Tara, I imagine, will be following a similar path--if Kate stays. I expect Tara will still be involved for a few years and Kate will welcome that. This will therefore be radically different from the departure of Pat Summit at Tennessee. Holly Warlick was not Kate Paye, and Holly did not have Pat genuinely around to assist in transition.
Finally, let me echo others and say that Tara has given me decades of fun and pleasure--not only watching a lot of winning basketball, but watching her develop teams, watching her as an educator. Her transition becomes a transition for all of us, now. Thank you Tara.
Great post, 81. Thanks for expressing so much of what I feel as well.
Anne Killion's piece re Tara in the SF Chron -- great article.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/tara-vanderveer-steps-away-women-s-game-brought-19394940.php?utm_content=cta&sid=53ba715ea256abba1800087a&ss=A&st_rid=3c12701c-fee5-4243-a806-0929278fbb67&utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_term=headlines&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc2ZjaHJvbmljbGUuY29tL3Nwb3J0cy9jb2xsZWdlL2FydGljbGUvdGFyYS12YW5kZXJ2ZWVyLXN0ZXBzLWF3YXktd29tZW4tcy1nYW1lLWJyb3VnaHQtMTkzOTQ5NDAucGhw&time=MTcxMjc2ODAxMjIzNQ%3D%3D&rid=M2MxMjcwMWMtZmVlNS00MjQzLWE4MDYtMDkyOTI3OGZiYjY3&sharecount=MA%3D%3D
Excellent post 81 and excellent article.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - Sakibomb25 - 04-10-2024
Not a surprise, but definitely shocked and a bit heartbroken. TVD was such a brobdingnagian advocate for women’s basketball, but especially for West Coast hoops. East Coast bias really is a thing and she did her best to bring up not just Stanford but all of West Coast basketball.
Her legacy is much more than the number of wins. Her influence and impact went beyond the W’s. It’s more what happens when no one is looking when you start to understand why she is revered so much by colleagues, fans, players and opponents.
She was really someone who was a women’s basketball fan at heart, whose passion for the game was pure and just wanted what was best for the sport and not just her teams. She was someone who went out of her way to impact people, mentor them, teach them.
One of my favorite stories I learned today was back in 2010, after Stanford destroyed South Carolina, Staley asked TVD to give a pep talk to her team. She did it for the students, but she also did it to set an example to coaches on how they should act and respect opposing coaches. Stories like this have started trickling out and it’s fun and sad to read.
Yes, Geno will break the all-time wins record (deservedly so) later this year, but if you really know, understand and appreciate women’s basketball and it’s history, you’ll know TVD’s impact is more than just how many wins or national titles she has won.
I first became a fan of Stanford sports because of TVD. It was the Sweet Sixteen against Alabama and Kate Starbird had just fouled out. I was listening over the radio and was riveted by the game, which Stanford ended up winning in OT. After that, I was hooked and became obsessed with not only Stanford women's basketball, but basically all college sports (save football). So thank you TVD for inspiring the sports fan in me.
Congrats on a fabulous career at Stanford.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - TonyLima - 04-10-2024
(04-10-2024, 07:50 AM)jacket3ree Wrote: Her name on the floor at minimum, right?
Why is this shocking? If I'm still working past 70, something has gone horribly wrong. (Or....horribly right!) Kudos to her for leaving the grind to enjoy retirement while healthy. More kudos for waiting until after the title game to announce anything, and for not doing a farewell tour, which to be honest, would have been weird in a new league.
Seems like a good time to me. She got the third title, the sport has radically changed, and there is some writing on the wall about traveling three time zones to get ACC sand kicked in the face. Not a stretch to see Stanford as the next Tennessee, or worse, the next ODU. She has better things to do than that.
Paye has her work cut out. Easier to be the guy after the guy after the guy.
Bingo. My guess is that one reason was not wanting to coach given the direction WBB is heading. And thank you, Tara, for a terrific ride.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - TooMuchTV - 04-10-2024
Farewell press conference is live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF3usv90HbU
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - M T - 04-10-2024
Sad news for this fan. I expect it is sad for the players too. But change happens and you move forward.
Tara leaves on top. I won’t second guess her, but she said all the right things this year that made it sound that she would continue coaching.
I expect Tara will be asked to step into roles that facilitate women’s basketball or athletics, probably at the national level. (Jody Conradt did that after retiring.). I can see her doing that.
I believe Kate will be a good coach in all aspects of the game. I hope she will keep the same, very high level of women as Tara choose and nurtured.
I wish Tara the best in retirement
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - yvonne - 04-10-2024
Not gonna lie. I've been bumming ever since I heard the news. I can't put my finger on it. Watching the press conference didn't help.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - 81alum - 04-10-2024
The press conference, for understandable reasons, did not focus at all on the future of Stanford WBB. That will come soon enough I presume with a Kate Paye press conference.
Perhaps the most surprising thing for me was seeing the many times Tara became emotional, her voice cracking. I've not seen her like that before. Clearly she has enormous love for "the Stanford sisterhood." It was also cool that Kiki was there and asked one of the questions! I guess they give anyone press credentials these days ;)
She did indicate she was going to be around, perhaps as a coach of coaches, and advisor, and ambassador. We certainly have not seen the last of Tara.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - needle - 04-10-2024
Tara gave what I took to be truly heartfelt comments that showed a love for Stanford, basketball and her players. Pure class, for sure.
As only a casual WBB fan, I do feel better after watching the presser. I get the sense that Tara, while emotional at times, is looking forward to stepping away from the grind and has some idea of what will give her the most fulfillment after coaching. She has given so much to Stanford and the game of basketball, I'm very happy to get a sense that she is truly looking forward to doing something new and not just burnt out or exhausted with coaching. I am happy for her.
As to the future of women's hoops, I surely understand why diehard fans are grieving today. Great coaches are few and far between. Only time will tell.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - jacket3ree - 04-10-2024
I'll try to put a finger on it: She's ****ing awesome. Hard to say goodbye even while happy that someone who gave so much gets to step off the daily treadmill.
RE: Coach Vanderveer Retiring - martyup - 04-10-2024
(04-10-2024, 01:11 PM)TooMuchTV Wrote: Farewell press conference is live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF3usv90HbU
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