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RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - martyup - 02-19-2026
We pulled to within 4. Then, we sucked again.
Lost 8 of the last 9 games. We were 15-4. Now we are 16-12.
And . . . we just lost a "must win" game.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - SkiBum80 - 02-19-2026
Agree the inability to inbounds successfully or bring the ball up the court, when faced with a press, is an indication of lack of coaching.
Players down the court have no seeming clue they have to hustle back to help teammates.
Turnovers once again more than twice Assists.
I'm stuck in the Twilight Zone still thinking I'm watching a Haase coached team.
And that wasn't a particularly good T.Z. episode.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - TonyLima - 02-19-2026
martyup dateline='[url=tel:1771555235' Wrote: 1771555235[/url]']There are no more “must win” games.
We pulled to within 4. Then, we sucked again.
Lost 8 of the last 9 games. We were 15-4. Now we are 16-12.
And . . . we just lost a "must win" game.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - here4WBB - 02-19-2026
We are taking Tara's basketball class over Zoom. She covers X's and O's in every class. It is shocking to see how much of what she explains about offense and defense is missing from our current gameplay. Watching video footage of old games (many of which we attended) demonstrates the lack of competitive play even more. How could Kate spend 17 years at Tara's side and not give this team the basics?
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - joemontes - 02-19-2026
This season has really spiralled into an abyss of total mediocrity and incompetence. That's after impressive wins against Washington, Oregon and most notably UNC on the road, during the first half of their schedule.
As long-time fans of Stanford women's basketball, our frustration is up the roof. I can just imagine the level of utter frustration among the players. They deserve much better coaching. If KP stays, I'm afraid the exodus of the top players is inevitable, given the current environment to do so. When that happens....
Hieronymus - Hieronymus - 02-19-2026
So I have refrained, but this will be one and only rant for the year….
I have played more cohesive basketball with 4 guys I just met in the park in a pickup game. Make no mistake, this is a bad Miami team; and we looked totally lost.
I would have said there was 0% chance Paye gets fired, but it isn’t zero anymore. No offensive plan, endless poorly shot threes and a team that appeared to have never seen a press before. I would be concerned if I saw that in a middle school game.
Well the good news such as it is - the last 3 regular season games are now just try to fix anything. Rest some players. Play the bench a little more. Whatever, because it doesn’t matter. They are going to have to win the conference tourney.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - Card10Fan - 02-19-2026
(02-19-2026, 08:18 PM)joemontes Wrote: This season has really spiralled into an abyss of total mediocrity and incompetence. That's after impressive wins against Washington, Oregon and most notably UNC on the road, during the first half of their schedule.
As long-time fans of Stanford women's basketball, our frustration is up the roof. I can just imagine the level of utter frustration among the players. They deserve much better coaching. If KP stays, I'm afraid the exodus of the top players is inevitable, given the current environment to do so. When that happens....
Yep you are spot on. We are going to lose key players to the transfer portal after the season and it should not be a shock to anyone when it happens. Email AD John. It's frustrating and sad. We all wanted Kate to succeed. Clearly has not happened.
jdona@stanford.edu
athleticdirector@stanford.edu
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - chimera - 02-19-2026
I said my piece last week that sad as it is to contemplate, Kate is not getting it done and needs to go. I couldn't watch much. Just can't bring myself to watch Stanford play so poorly. Makes me sad to see it. This team is not well coached, pretty obviously. That's all that needs to be said. Can't blame injuries now that Agara is back. Can't blame youth at this point in the season. It isn't the fault of the players. We have what is it now, 5 coaches, 6 coaches? For this? Since most of the coaches were with Tara and the team did well, gotta think Kate is the problem.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - petersalas - 02-19-2026
I’m almost at a loss for words… there’s been some bad refs, but I cannot blame all these losses on the refs. I’m disappointed and just sad at this point. Hope something clicks and the season ends on a positive note and builds some momentum for next season. I only want to put positive things out in the universe now.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - crackpot - 02-19-2026
Bring back the coach we had prior to the Cal game!
Yeah, ACC refs suck (watching the UNC@VT game confirmed that to me). But there's something amiss. I'll predict no starters in the portal.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - Card10Fan - 02-20-2026
(02-19-2026, 09:24 PM)crackpot Wrote: Bring back the coach we had prior to the Cal game!
Yeah, ACC refs suck (watching the UNC@VT game confirmed that to me). But there's something amiss. I'll predict no starters in the portal.
Nunu may return for her last season. However, I think we should all be expecting some key players to hit the portal. To those who have been paying attention, it shouldn't be a surprise when it happens. Watching the team, something is amiss.
Players don't come to Stanford to play in the WBIT each season. That's currently where we are at.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - Nobadeer - 02-20-2026
As I asked a few weeks ago, what would LSJU's record be with Tara as coach? Two or three wins better (FGCU, Tenn, UVa)?
The current LSJU WBB talent level might be higher than LSJU MBB, but it's well lower than before and maybe lower than we all thought in November. Tara had at least one All American on the roster for most of 30+ years, starting with Azzi and all the way through Brink.
There's no one on the current roster remotely resembling an AA, not even all ACC first team. The upperclass players, Tara's last classes, can be solid but have often underachieved and/or been hurt. The freshmen have had some awesome games, but they are freshmen, none as elite as Okorie for MBB.
Tara also had many great shooters, ~ 40 % on threes, from Azzi through Jump. The current roster's leader is . . . Lepolo, at 35 % - but on only 34 attempts. (The mysteriously underused Amborn has made 7 of 11). Clardy, Agara and Ogden have made 77 total threes . . . and missed 174. Somfai and Swain have made 40 total threes . . . and missed 126.
I don't blame Tara for retiring when she did. Declining roster, transfers, NIL, 30+ K miles of plane travel every Jan.-Feb., plus allegedly biased/incompetent ACC refs, etc. All at age 72. It would have been a physical slog and would have seriously tarnished her legacy to keep coaching the current roster in the ACC!
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - Hieronymus - 02-20-2026
(02-20-2026, 07:37 PM)Nobadeer Wrote: As I asked a few weeks ago, what would LSJU's record be with Tara as coach? Two or three wins better (FGCU, Tenn, UVa)?
The current LSJU WBB talent level might be higher than LSJU MBB, but it's well lower than before and maybe lower than we all thought in November. Tara had at least one All American on the roster for most of 30+ years, starting with Azzi and all the way through Brink.
There's no one on the current roster remotely resembling an AA, not even all ACC first team. The upperclass players, Tara's last classes, can be solid but have often underachieved and/or been hurt. The freshmen have had some awesome games, but they are freshmen, none as elite as Okorie for MBB.
Tara also had many great shooters, ~ 40 % on threes, from Azzi through Jump. The current roster's leader is . . . Lepolo, at 35 % - but on only 34 attempts. (The mysteriously underused Amborn has made 7 of 11). Clardy, Agara and Ogden have made 77 total threes . . . and missed 174. Somfai and Swain have made 40 total threes . . . and missed 126.
I don't blame Tara for retiring when she did. Declining roster, transfers, NIL, 30+ K miles of plane travel every Jan.-Feb., plus allegedly biased/incompetent ACC refs, etc. All at age 72. It would have been a physical slog and would have seriously tarnished her legacy to keep coaching the current roster in the ACC!
I have a couple of problems with this line of thought.
1. To a large degree I think it is reversing cause and effect. Is the team playing poorly because the players are bad? Or do the players play poorly because the team set up is bad? Obviously that isn’t binary; but I am with most of the folks on this board in believing that the talent is much better than what we are seeing on the court. And that falls on coaching and team management.
2. They are young but I would expect a bad start while the Frosh acclimate, and the team to improve through the year. We have the opposite - a good start to the season with a total collapse at the end.. Maybe it’s partly fatigue which injuries haven’t helped, but the reality this year is the competition has improved more despite being older. I think that has to mostly fall on the staff as well.
There is no way that a bad Miami team should be 15 points better even if it was a home game for them. For reference, Miami had exactly 1 home win in conference before this game against and even worse FSU team.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - Nobadeer - 02-21-2026
Duly noted and indeed, well said. To borrow your phrasing, what would/should LSJU's W/L record be right now, with a better "setup/coaching/team management," given our 4 months of observation of this group of players' size, athleticism, shooting and other basic basketball skills, and intangible feel for the game?
This board is wonderfully populated by giant-brain Stanford sports fans, and would anyone here vote for 24-4? 22-6? 20-8?
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - chimera - 02-21-2026
(02-20-2026, 07:37 PM)Nobadeer Wrote: As I asked a few weeks ago, what would LSJU's record be with Tara as coach? Two or three wins better (FGCU, Tenn, UVa)?
The current LSJU WBB talent level might be higher than LSJU MBB, but it's well lower than before and maybe lower than we all thought in November. Tara had at least one All American on the roster for most of 30+ years, starting with Azzi and all the way through Brink.
There's no one on the current roster remotely resembling an AA, not even all ACC first team. The upperclass players, Tara's last classes, can be solid but have often underachieved and/or been hurt. The freshmen have had some awesome games, but they are freshmen, none as elite as Okorie for MBB.
Tara also had many great shooters, ~ 40 % on threes, from Azzi through Jump. The current roster's leader is . . . Lepolo, at 35 % - but on only 34 attempts. (The mysteriously underused Amborn has made 7 of 11). Clardy, Agara and Ogden have made 77 total threes . . . and missed 174. Somfai and Swain have made 40 total threes . . . and missed 126.
I don't blame Tara for retiring when she did. Declining roster, transfers, NIL, 30+ K miles of plane travel every Jan.-Feb., plus allegedly biased/incompetent ACC refs, etc. All at age 72. It would have been a physical slog and would have seriously tarnished her legacy to keep coaching the current roster in the ACC!
You are right the roster lacks shooters or All-Americans that Tara had. That said, nobody that I know expected results like Tara had. Nobody expected more than just make the NCAAs, which is not a very high bar. How does the roster stacks up compared to Ga Tech, Miami, Va Tech, Virginia, Cal, FGCU, Syracuse, etc? Is the team more or less than the sum of its parts? Losing to mediocre teams while going 1 out of the last 8 is the problem. Looking much worse late in the season is the problem. 16-12 is the problem. The team seems to play much worse than the talent on the roster, even if the talent on the roster is not at the level that got previous teams to the F4 or E8. That is what my "giant brain" sees that concerns me. We lost to effing FGCU, a team we should have beaten by 30+. That alone is enough to make one doubt the coaching.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - needle - 02-21-2026
Losing to Miami on the road? OK.
Losing by 15 and basically never being in the game? Red flag that something is very, very wrong.
Just my opinion as a casual fan.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - BobK - 02-21-2026
Actually it was worse. We down 6 after 3 quarters. Then fell completely apart. Of course we couldn’t score the whole game
Actually it was worse. We down 6 after 3 quarters. Then fell completely apart. Of course we couldn’t score the whole game
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - Hieronymus - 02-21-2026
I have a hard time trying to answer the alternate reality question of what would the result of better coaching be. I think we all do which is why you read the differing opinions across posters and the frustration.
There is the basic in game and game prep stuff, and there I suppose sure I can imagine maybe +3 wins in some of the close games Nobadeer listed.
I think the bigger discussion though is strategic (what is the offensive plan) and team management (especially subbing and overall minutes distribution). Here I can’t imagine a specific expected result, because it is so far removed from reality. But this is where you argue about losing by 15 to Miami. What I do see is an offense that is lost - you have large stretches with 4 players standing and staring at the ball, and without an effective plan. Yes they have no superstar, but the flip is the players do have some skills that the offense isn’t unlocking effectively.
Also, we have seen too many minutes for players, and I suspect fatigue is part of the problem late in the year. Maybe the bench really is this limited, but I would say at this point we still have no idea because we haven’t seen it. There maybe wasn’t a better minutes plan, but the one we do have hasn’t worked.
At core I think the reasonable expectation was - as chimera stated - make the tournament. I would add win a game as a stretch goal. It is very unlikely now, and I expect they have to win the ACC tourney to get there.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - BillBradley - 02-21-2026
(02-21-2026, 12:51 AM)Nobadeer Wrote: Duly noted and indeed, well said. To borrow your phrasing, what would/should LSJU's W/L record be right now, with a better "setup/coaching/team management," given our 4 months of observation of this group of players' size, athleticism, shooting and other basic basketball skills, and intangible feel for the game?Opponents in Top-10: Duke, Louisville. We should go 0-2. Actual record 0-2.
This board is wonderfully populated by giant-brain Stanford sports fans, and would anyone here vote for 24-4? 22-6? 20-8?
Opponents in 11-25: UNC, Tennessee, NC St., Notre Dame. I think we should have gone 2-2, maybe even 3-1. Actual record 1-3.
Opponents in 26-50: Cal, Washington, Oregon, Syracuse, Cal, VaTech, UVA. I'd say 5-2. Actual record 3-4.
Opponents >50: The rest. Should have gone 15-0. Actual record 12-3.
Add it all up, and I'm at 22-6, which would have been around 4th in the ACC and a Top-25 team which were my stated expectations before the season started, taking into account who we had returning along with the talent coming in. Actual record 16-12. Massey has us ranked at 42.
As others have observed, many of the losses weren't even competitive. There's bad losses, and there's being run out of the gym by teams you should have beaten. In our last 14, we are 4-10.
RE: WBB: Stanford v. Miami - SkiBum80 - 02-21-2026
(02-21-2026, 04:13 PM)BillBradley Wrote:(02-21-2026, 12:51 AM)Nobadeer Wrote: Duly noted and indeed, well said. To borrow your phrasing, what would/should LSJU's W/L record be right now, with a better "setup/coaching/team management," given our 4 months of observation of this group of players' size, athleticism, shooting and other basic basketball skills, and intangible feel for the game?Opponents in Top-10: Duke, Louisville. We should go 0-2. Actual record 0-2.
This board is wonderfully populated by giant-brain Stanford sports fans, and would anyone here vote for 24-4? 22-6? 20-8?
Opponents in 11-25: UNC, Tennessee, NC St., Notre Dame. I think we should have gone 2-2, maybe even 3-1. Actual record 1-3.
Opponents in 26-50: Cal, Washington, Oregon, Syracuse, Cal, VaTech, UVA. I'd say 5-2. Actual record 3-4.
Opponents >50: The rest. Should have gone 15-0. Actual record 12-3.
Add it all up, and I'm at 22-6, which would have been around 4th in the ACC and a Top-25 team which were my stated expectations before the season started, taking into account who we had returning along with the talent coming in. Actual record 16-12. Massey has us ranked at 42.
As others have observed, many of the losses weren't even competitive. There's bad losses, and there's being run out of the gym by teams you should have beaten. In our last 14, we are 4-10.
I'd bet a Starbucks Venti that we don't make the tournament unless winning the ACC tourney.
Based on your games list, I think if you could reverse the 3 bad losses, and go 5-2 in the ranked 26-50 opponents like you suggested, which would have us at 21-7, that we'd have great chance to make NCAA.