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RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - Card10Fan - 01-29-2023

2nd half was slightly better offensively. 18 assists was great. Play Brooke more please. Cam was stellar with her defense and rebounding. If she could hit the midrange more consistently when she’s left wide open, would help tremendously. She didn’t shoot a great percentage again today. Happy with the win. I see Cal just beat Oregon State. Now we hit the road.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - MV72018 - 01-29-2023

Great rebounding by Jones again -- 16 boards -- but poor shooting again, both from the field -- 3 for 11 FGAs -- and from the FT line -- 2 for 6 FTAs.

Might she not be completely recovered from an arm or wrist injury, or need glasses? Her shooting woes are a mystery.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - Jskass - 01-29-2023

Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - 81alum - 01-29-2023

My observations:

1) First, at the chalk talk I asked about how our "new" offense was working, and we were told that we installed a new offense after the loss at USC--one that was more post-centric. I think that is when Brink went to the 5 and Jones to the 4. What I did not know was that it was not just a change in personnel assignments, but a new offense altogether. We did not learn anything more about it, but now I am curious.

2) In today's game we were using our zone offense, which we have not seen very much of. That is why we saw so many jumpers from Brink and others. Our shooting woes, however, continued. Early in the year our players seemed to make those jumpers regularly.

3) I have been asking to see more Prechtel but now I see why we have not--her shot has been off of late. Demetre played that role today, though. She seems like a very streaky shooter, but today her shot was "on." Furthermore, those three treys in a row really changed the momentum of the game in our favor.

4) I think it is time to acknowledge that our preconceptions about this team were 180 degrees wrong. After losing the Hulls and Wilson, we thought that our defense would suffer, but I think many of us expected our offense to improve. Wilson and Lacie were never offensive juggernauts, and Lexie was streaky. But this year's team strength seems to be defense. Oregon is averaging 71 points and shooting 44% overall. Today we held them 17 points below their average and a paltry 25% shooting. And we did it largely with straight up one-on-one defense. That is impressive.

5) Today was the first game all year that we have not out rebounded our opponent. Worse, we gave Oregon 23 O-boards. This game would have been a blowout in our favor had we rebounded better.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - CompSci87 - 01-29-2023

(01-29-2023, 05:05 PM)Jskass Wrote: Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

Did you think that charge Taya Reimer took on Haley was a flop? It looked like Reimer jumped backwards when she felt the contact. She's too solid to be moved that much otherwise.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - OCcardinal - 01-29-2023

Brink with 16 points, 11 rebounds and 10 blocks, the first triple-double to include blocks in Stanford history. And only the second in Pac 12 history (the other being Ruth Hamblin's 23 point, 12 rebound and 10 block performance for Oregon State vs Oregon on 1/13/2014). Brittney Griner is the NCAA record holder for this type of triple-double, having accomplished it 5 times.

This is the 10th triple double in Stanford history, the other 9 being the standard points, rebounds, assists variety. Brink joins Jennifer Azzi, Sonja Henning, Nicole Powell and Haley Jones as the only Stanford players with a triple double. Pretty good company! All have only 1 triple double, except Powell, who accumulated 6 in her freshman and sophomore seasons (including 2 in the NCAA tournament).

Brink now has 267 total blocks for her career. She's a mere 6 blocks away from the Stanford record for total career blocks (Jayne Appel had 273).

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - 81alum - 01-29-2023

Attendance: 5133, just excellent. Much more than we had for Tennessee and around 1500 more than we had when Arizona, Utah, Cal etc. visited. I expected attendance to be depressed against the 49ers, but no such thing. Oregon seems to draw very well.

Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZXhN_zEFos

Presser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXc9OgWfE8

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - TonyLima - 01-29-2023

(01-29-2023, 05:08 PM)81alum Wrote: My observations:

1) First, at the chalk talk I asked about how our "new" offense was working, and we were told that we installed a new offense after the loss at USC--one that was more post-centric. I think that is when Brink went to the 5 and Jones to the 4. What I did not know was that it was not just a change in personnel assignments, but a new offense altogether. We did not learn anything more about it, but now I am curious.

2) In today's game we were using our zone offense, which we have not seen very much of. That is why we saw so many jumpers from Brink and others. Our shooting woes, however, continued. Early in the year our players seemed to make those jumpers regularly.

3) I have been asking to see more Prechtel but now I see why we have not--her shot has been off of late. Demetre played that role today, though. She seems like a very streaky shooter, but today her shot was "on." Furthermore, those three treys in a row really changed the momentum of the game in our favor.

4) I think it is time to acknowledge that our preconceptions about this team were 180 degrees wrong. After losing the Hulls and Wilson, we thought that our defense would suffer, but I think many of us expected our offense to improve. Wilson and Lacie were never offensive juggernauts, and Lexie was streaky. But this year's team strength seems to be defense. Oregon is averaging 71 points and shooting 44% overall. Today we held them 17 points below their average and a paltry 25% shooting. And we did it largely with straight up one-on-one defense. That is impressive.

5) Today was the first game all year that we have not out rebounded our opponent. Worse, we gave Oregon 23 O-boards. This game would have been a blowout in our favor had we rebounded better.

Re #5, OR was taking a lot of shots near the 3 point line. Those tend to create long rebounds. Who gets those is pretty much random.

(01-29-2023, 05:15 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:05 PM)Jskass Wrote: Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

Did you think that charge Taya Reimer took on Haley was a flop? It looked like Reimer jumped backwards when she felt the contact. She's too solid to be moved that much otherwise.

Want for the tape. Should be up sometime Monday afternoon. Point me to the approximate time of the flop and I can quickly extract the clip.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - 81alum - 01-29-2023

This statement from Tara's presser gives some insight into the new offense and the limited minutes available for posts off the bench:

"...one of the changes we've made is moving Haley back to the 4 where she played for 3 years, and how people are playing us it allows us to play smaller, so that does impact all of our posts' rotation time. There is a long post line, and there are games when we will play 2 true posts, but we've made some adjustments and are playing smaller and faster."

"There could be games when Lauren Betts is out there with Cam, but the way they are playing us, so soft on people, that when Brook came in and knocked down her shot, Elena hit her shot, Agnes hit her shot, Talana hit her shot...we have to go with what the other team is basically saying to us."

"Have Agnes make a three, having Elena make a three, if I'm Cam I'm getting them a Chipotle or something...keep shooting those threes, Talana...rewarding your shooters because that opens it up for you inside. Otherwise they are just camped on top of Cam."

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - chimera - 01-29-2023

At the game I did not realize Brink had the block triple double. Congrats to her. Very cool. Fun to see her blocking players who are 4 inches taller than she is.

Amazing what making a few threes can do for a team. We did not shoot great, but the percentage was adequate and the number made was fine. Defense was very good for the most part. I liked Bosgana even though she missed some threes. She is aggressive and makes things happen, which sometimes the team needs. A little unpredictability can be a nice thing on occasion. Very nice to see Demetre find her shot. If she can become consistent as a shooter, it would really help. I say if they can shoot in practice, let them shoot when open and learn to feel confident in games. Team is still missing some very makable shots but the offense did run better. Good number of assists. Seems to me like Oregon should be better than they are. They have very experienced guards who shoot well.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - TonyLima - 01-29-2023

(01-29-2023, 05:15 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:05 PM)Jskass Wrote: Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

Did you think that charge Taya Reimer took on Haley was a flop? It looked like Reimer jumped backwards when she felt the contact. She's too solid to be moved that much otherwise.

Judge for yourself.

Here's the clip.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - BostonCard - 01-29-2023

Looked like a legitimate charge to me.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - 81alum - 01-29-2023

(01-29-2023, 07:23 PM)TonyLima Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:15 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:05 PM)Jskass Wrote: Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

Did you think that charge Taya Reimer took on Haley was a flop? It looked like Reimer jumped backwards when she felt the contact. She's too solid to be moved that much otherwise.

Judge for yourself.

Here's the clip.

Wow, that was pretty dramatic. I don't see how a pure flop could have gotten the whip action on her head and the sudden angle change in her knees. But I am sure she exaggerated her fall somewhat for effect. It looks to me as if Jones did put her body into her chest, and then Reimer played it for all she could.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - Jskass - 01-29-2023

What struck me about it in person was also the overly dramatic yell by Taya Hanson. Seemed worthy of an Oscar nomination for best acting in a basketball game. That was the first one I recalled verbally but I saw other flops from various players.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - CompSci87 - 01-29-2023

(01-29-2023, 05:34 PM)TonyLima Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:15 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:05 PM)Jskass Wrote: Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

Did you think that charge Taya Reimer took on Haley was a flop? It looked like Reimer jumped backwards when she felt the contact. She's too solid to be moved that much otherwise.

Wait for the tape. Should be up sometime Monday afternoon. Point me to the approximate time of the flop and I can quickly extract the clip.

You found it! I saw your clip on YouTube before seeing your message here.

The dramatic "oof!" from Reimer really stands out on the clip.

I'd say maybe it was a real foul, but it was much dramatized.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - CompSci87 - 01-29-2023

That was a great press conference. Tara was expansive and explained a lot about what the team is doing, the challenge of making use of all our good players, etc.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - 81alum - 01-29-2023

Taking a look at performances:

On defense, we held their star guards Rogers and PaoPao to 5/28 shooting, 1/7 from three. Rogers is their elite three level guard, and it was mostly Lepolo, a freshman, guarding that senior. And she nearly shut her down. It may go under the radar as most fans focus on our lack of offensive production, but Lepolo's defense has steadily improved all year to the point that she gets the toughest perimeter assignments.

We gave up 23 offensive rebounds, which seems like it might be some kind of negative record. Of course, when you hold a team to 25% there are going to be lots of rebounding opportunities. Oregon missed 60 shots and got 38% of them back. They did only convert them into 14 second chance points. Our interior defense was awesome thank to the team's 13 blocks, yielding a paltry 20 points in the paint, half of them by Kyei.

On offense, give Lepolo credit for 6 assists to 1 turnover, after a very bad assists night against Oregon State. The coaches have told her that she must shoot threes when she is left open, and she did attempt it 5 times, making one. The attempts are moving in the right direction.

Jones had a solid if not spectacular game, going only 3/11 and uncharacteristically only 2/6 from the free throw line. Her 16 rebounds were critical, however, given that we were losing the rebounding battle. She did have 4 assists, one spectacular, and 4 turnovers, one spectacular.

Jump scored from three levels--2/6 from three, two layups on back door cuts, and a couple of mid range jumpers. She had to defend speedier guards and did a creditable job. So, like Jones, a solid game.

From the bench, Bosgana, Nivar, and Demetre made useful contributions--none more than Demetre when she made 3 consecutive treys in the third quarter to stop Oregon's momentum after it had closed the gap. I agree with Chimera that Bosgana "makes things happen." She had a couple of assists and made one three, although she was just 1/6 from three point range. One of these game I hope to see Nivar start scoring the way she is capable, but with 11 minutes and 2 points, she was important mainly for her defense and ball handling. The two points were beautiful though, on a fast break and a clever layup.

Finally, Brink, with her triple double. She deserves all the accolades that are being heaped on her. Keeping the fouls down and blocking 10 shots is amazing. She also only was awarded 2 freethrows in the game, possibly because she was shooting from the midrange more than she was banging in the paint. She does need to improve that midrange shooting. She sank a couple from the free throw line or elbow area, but missed a bunch of others. When playing against the zone or sagging defenses, these are going to be the shots that are left uncontested for her, and she can open up the paint to drive if she starts making those jump shots more reliably.

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - M T - 01-30-2023

(01-29-2023, 05:15 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:05 PM)Jskass Wrote: Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

Did you think that charge Taya Reimer took on Haley was a flop? It looked like Reimer jumped backwards when she felt the contact. She's too solid to be moved that much otherwise.

It was trivial to see it is a flop. Watch the head. Physics & physiology. If the head goes back before the body, and the hit wasn't to the head, it is a flop. But being a flop doesn't mean it isn't a charge. I think it was both a flop and a charge. (I don't watch that many men's game, but I'd love to see a ref call both a charge and a flop on the same play.)

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - M T - 01-30-2023

I was out of town for the game and only got to see the (full) replay on Sunday night. Once agaih Ann Schatz confuses Haley Jones (IIRC, she called her Hannah Jones in one of the early games this year) for Hannah Jump at the end of the 1st half ("Hannah! ... Hannah!" as Haley got the ball near the baseline with 2 seconds left and threw up a long shot.)

I see so much poor defense by Jones, I find it hard to believe others aren't seeing more than a few here and there.

For instance, 30 seconds into the game,
Q1 9:36 she's guarding #40
9:35 #40 hands off to #9(?), being guarded by Jump
9:34-9:33 #9 reverses and gets a pick & roll screen by #40; Jump follows #9 as #40 rolls.
Jones apparently is so focused on #9 she ignores the roll.
9:32 #9 goes to the center of the lane inside the foul line where #40 has an easy pass.
Jones only reacts once the pass is made.
9:31 Rather than take the open jumper, #40 takes a dribble to get closer.
9:30 Jones does get her hand up on the shot but a hair too late.
9:29 Jones does block out #40 initially while the ball is in the air.
9:28 Jones loses contact with #40 and lets her circle Jones and get a rebound at the block. Jones is well behind her.
9:27 Brink (who has been on #15) moves over to try to stop the shot.
Brink picks up a foul reacting to the player who twice got away from Jones in this possession.

At Q1 7:19, #40 and #9 again do the same pick & roll on Jones and Jump. But this time, the open #40 tried to go to the hoop, so Brink was able to leave #16 alone in the protected circle to defend the shot. You can see Jones running in from the FT line as Brink is blocking the ball.

At Q1 6:37, Jones guards the dribbling #40 as she goes to the block before passing out. But Jones is watching the ball and not her player at 6:29 as her player jumps out to the foul line area, gets the pass, and shoots, before Jones can get there. Jones never even puts her arms up. But a second later, Jones gets credit for the rebound. Sigh...
Q1 4:10, good stopping the dribbler by Jones.
Q1 3:47, Jones is watching the ball under the basket, when her player cuts past her, gets the pass, and gets a shot off before Jones can catch up. (waved off by a 3-second call, but not good D)
Q1 1:53, Jones' center-field play lets her player get a rebound away from the basket and an open shot, but I think Jones was OK to camp in the lane that time.
Q1 0:17 Jones stays in the lane as her player goes to the 3pt line. This allows Jones to defend a shot

RE: WBB: Stanford 62 -- Oregon 54 - Jskass - 01-30-2023

agree 100 pct. charge and flop but she really set the stage for all sorts of flops/almost flops throughout the game by OR. Literally someone would run past an OR player and they'd back up pretending contact.

(01-30-2023, 02:29 AM)M T Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:15 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(01-29-2023, 05:05 PM)Jskass Wrote: Got to say after seeing OSU and UO games in person this weekend, firms my belief that Rueck is the better coach. Though Graves has mastered the art of flop instruction.

Did you think that charge Taya Reimer took on Haley was a flop? It looked like Reimer jumped backwards when she felt the contact. She's too solid to be moved that much otherwise.

It was trivial to see it is a flop. Watch the head. Physics & physiology. If the head goes back before the body, and the hit wasn't to the head, it is a flop. But being a flop doesn't mean it isn't a charge. I think it was both a flop and a charge. (I don't watch that many men's game, but I'd love to see a ref call both a charge and a flop on the same play.)