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RE: Iriafen hits the portal - jacket3ree - 04-17-2024
(04-16-2024, 12:49 PM)WBB fan Wrote: What's evolving now makes me more and more inclined to look to D II and D III athletics to get interested in. The athletes at such schools are, of course, typically not the world class ones who want to have the big stage, but for the most part, they are genuine student-athletes, with student coming first. My son went to a small liberal arts college ( Haverford) that competed at the D II and D III level, and was able to enjoy being an athlete at the same time his education was his first priority.
NIL deals and portal transfers are not limited to Division 1 athletes. A basketball player at Claremont McKenna whom you've never heard of unless you are one of his million followers and people like that. I've never been into litmus tests of what the people who entertain me care about first and foremost or what motivates them. I listen to jazz and rock a lot. Watch a lot of sports. Read. I am definitely going on longer hikes, reading more, and watching fewer sports, but then there's that jazz and rock. What to do?
Notable D2 and D3 NIL deals
I heartily recommend high school sports for a less money-driven experience. (I still go to high school games.) Wait, no, high school can be rampant with recruiting and districting shenanigans plus transfers. Maybe latch on to intramural sports? That's as pure as it gets, right? Random collections of variably talented students with zero recruiting. Wait, I shouldn't say "zero" based on personal experience. My fraternity's ultimate frisbee team had an incredible ringer on it. We won championships mostly because of that dude. A legitimate Tech graduate student (with a Stanford BSEE to boot!) who was in a fraternity. At Stanford. You can't join two fraternities. No one asked or cared. We don't carry fraternity cards (or pledge pins) and how is someone on work study with a clipboard over at SAC gonna know our secret handshake? He's with us.
My granddaughter plays soccer now. That's pure, although her revolution will not be televised.*
*If you don't count the hours and hours of available footage stored somewhere up in the cloud.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - qwerty49 - 04-17-2024
Lots of thoughts in this thread, so I'll just throw a couple more bits of spaghetti against the wall.
If the numbers we are hearing are correct, the concept of "Stanford being a 40-year decision" is definitely irrelevant for some student-athletes. If a college kid can make somewhere between 500-750K/year, I don't think there are many incentives to leave that financial bubble. Now if the alternative is NBA money or maybe even whatever Caleb Williams thinks he can get from the NFL, sure --- leave, go pro, good luck. Otherwise -- keep feeding off the NIL t** and enjoy the ride, wherever it may take you (like van Lith, for example).
If Kiki's choices were indeed between a) staying at Stanford and navigating the various protocols for grad school admissions, making whatever Lifetime Cardinal or any other Stanford NIL gives her, etc; b) going pro and making $300K over 4 years in the WNBA and traveling around the world to try to bump that figure up; and c) going somewhere else that can easily give her $600-750K while she essentially delays option b for at least one year ----- then option c seems very attractive, because option b will always exist.
So I think we have the equivalent of loopholes in the infrastructure -- some Stanford can address and some that Stanford, for various reasons, cannot.
It's just a reality we have to face, and adjust to. I'm not having a very easy time making that adjustment, because I sense our programmatic barriers are more insurmountable than not.
Meanwhile, I'll join jacket3ree in reminiscing about cars past. I had a 56 Chrysler, looked like a small Moby Dick, had a 4-pushbutton automatic transmission. Got about 12 mpg.
Then had a 53 MGTD. I misplaced my keys once and actually started the car with a screwdriver. One time I forgot to shut the hood tightly and was reminded of that when it flipped up and banged into my windshield at 65mph on the Bayshore. That was a lot of fun -- not!
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - bbm233 - 04-18-2024
(04-17-2024, 04:13 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Then had a 53 MGTD. I misplaced my keys once and actually started the car with a screwdriver. One time I forgot to shut the hood tightly and was reminded of that when it flipped up and banged into my windshield at 65mph on the Bayshore. That was a lot of fun -- not!
I'll have to file away the trick about using a screwdriver instead of a key for my 48 MGTC. Turning the key simply turns on the electrical system (if the battery's not dead, if so, there's always the push start option), after which you have to engage the starter, so I just leave the key in my car all the time, because almost nobody under 80 these days would know about using a starter.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - qwerty49 - 04-18-2024
(04-18-2024, 12:51 PM)bbm233 Wrote:(04-17-2024, 04:13 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Then had a 53 MGTD. I misplaced my keys once and actually started the car with a screwdriver. One time I forgot to shut the hood tightly and was reminded of that when it flipped up and banged into my windshield at 65mph on the Bayshore. That was a lot of fun -- not!
I'll have to file away the trick about using a screwdriver instead of a key for my 48 MGTC. Turning the key simply turns on the electrical system (if the battery's not dead, if so, there's always the push start option), after which you have to engage the starter, so I just leave the key in my car all the time, because almost nobody under 80 these days would know about using a starter.
Back in the day I had way more tolerance for high-maintenance cars. My main wheels became a 78 Alfa Spyder. Low-slung and cornered like a cat, what a joy it was on Hiway 1 and going up La Honda and Woodside to Skyline Blvd. But I left at least 2 oil pans on the hills of SF.
Then I got married, had a kid and became a suburban van guy, sigh.
I now have a Toyota and a Scion, both old enough to vote.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - Mick - 04-18-2024
Have to agree with Jacket3ree and the Karmann Ghia. My best friend and I worked on his two KGs for three years in high school. Only time I ever felt mechanically inclined. Great, great cars, fun and relatively easy to fix, and my buddy invested in a great sound system.
A year later, I bought a convertible Fiat 850 Spider. Man it looked cool, and man, was it ever a PoS. I had to learn how to fix it myself because I couldn't afford the labor, only the parts. Never did figure out how to keep it from burning oil. And the only way it could exceed 65 mph was in a free fall. Still and all, when it was running...driving to the beach was molto bene...
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - old spanish trail - 04-18-2024
Lucy Olsen to Iowa.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - dabigv13 - 04-18-2024
Some interesting, unsurprising comments from Tara on NIL etc
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/04/18/vanderveer-warns-that-nil-collectives-undermine-title-ix/
Quote:The long-time women’s basketball coach noted that the overwhelming majority of NIL money from collectives was going to men’s sports, particularly football and men’s basketball. VanDerveer said this situation threatens the spirit of Title IX, designed to ensure equitable funding to men and women’s sports.
The long-time Stanford head coach also mentioned that in the world of NIL, college sports has become a transactional space where athletes are less invested in programs for values’ sake and more interested in how much money they will get.
“I am a basketball coach, and now I have to be a CEO,” VanDerveer said.
While the 46-year collegiate head coach said that the current NIL landscape was a “definite negative” when contemplating whether to return to coaching or retire, she believes that collectives are here to stay.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - jonnyss - 04-18-2024
(04-18-2024, 02:29 PM)Mick Wrote: Have to agree with Jacket3ree and the Karmann Ghia. My best friend and I worked on his two KGs for three years in high school. Only time I ever felt mechanically inclined. Great, great cars, fun and relatively easy to fix, and my buddy invested in a great sound system.
A year later, I bought a convertible Fiat 850 Spider. Man it looked cool, and man, was it ever a PoS. I had to learn how to fix it myself because I couldn't afford the labor, only the parts. Never did figure out how to keep it from burning oil. And the only way it could exceed 65 mph was in a free fall. Still and all, when it was running...driving to the beach was molto bene...
my first car was a fiat sedan in new haven. when i moved to california, i got a fiat x19
Mudhead - Mudhead - 04-18-2024
(04-18-2024, 05:01 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: Some interesting, unsurprising comments from Tara on NIL etcNIL money will go where the market takes it. $750 K for KiKi , if true, suggests that some of the money is going to WBB. I think Brink is rumored to have been in the $2m range.
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/04/18/vanderveer-warns-that-nil-collectives-undermine-title-ix/
Quote:The long-time women’s basketball coach noted that the overwhelming majority of NIL money from collectives was going to men’s sports, particularly football and men’s basketball. VanDerveer said this situation threatens the spirit of Title IX, designed to ensure equitable funding to men and women’s sports.
The long-time Stanford head coach also mentioned that in the world of NIL, college sports has become a transactional space where athletes are less invested in programs for values’ sake and more interested in how much money they will get.
“I am a basketball coach, and now I have to be a CEO,” VanDerveer said.
While the 46-year collegiate head coach said that the current NIL landscape was a “definite negative” when contemplating whether to return to coaching or retire, she believes that collectives are here to stay.
NIL is private money paid directly to the athletes so Title 9 not really relevant. I think Tara disliked NIL so much that she never got on board with it. ( I understand her feelings) but lack of enthusiasm for NIL probably contributed to Betts leaving and maybe KIKI. The right kind of NIL deal might have locked them in but the “we’re above that” approach won’t work anymore.
Hope Kate is more agile and supportive of NIL and portal opportunities…or it’s D3 here we come.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - BobK - 04-18-2024
WBB is part of and has been part of lifetime Cardinal. The Stanford NIL.
RE: Mudhead - StanfordMatt - 04-19-2024
(04-18-2024, 07:59 PM)Mudhead Wrote: NIL is private money paid directly to the athletes so Title 9 not really relevant.
This is true for the moment but unlikely to be the case much longer. Virginia just passed legislation allowing schools to pay players directly for NIL and other states are sure to follow. Hard to see the NCAA having any authority to stop them at this point and that's assuming they had an interest in even attempting to do so. The white flag is slowly being raised in Indianapolis.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - WBB fan - 04-19-2024
To say Title 9 isn't relevant is more meaningful, and in a different way, than I think you realize, and this is precisely Tara's point. Title 9 becomes much less impactful and relevant when money is going without control to the sports that big money donors favor, football and men's basketball. In effect, Title 9 is undermined as a way to even the playing field for financial support for women's sports.
Mudhead - Mudhead - 04-19-2024
(04-19-2024, 12:38 PM)WBB fan Wrote: To say Title 9 isn't relevant is more meaningful, and in a different way, than I think you realize, and this is precisely Tara's point. Title 9 becomes much less impactful and relevant when money is going without control to the sports that big money donors favor, football and men's basketball. In effect, Title 9 is undermined as a way to even the playing field for financial support for women's sports.I agree and I too think that’s what Tara was saying . Non market forces, even ones we may like like Title 9, usually don’t last and usually distort markets. I think much of what Title 9 can accomplish in women’s basketball has been accomplished . Now that the TV market for WBB is established, the money will follow. WNBA may lag in time, but if the TV market demand is there, money market for the players will follow.
I think Tara, like all of us, was much more comfortable with a regulated market (Title 9) that she understood than with the brand new and wide open NIL market she didn’t fully understand. The market power has moved fro the coaches and regulators to the players. That’s different and daunting . Not sure I’d want to coach in that environment and I know I don’t understand that shift in power dynamic enough to coach in it.
But some coaches will adjust and those who do it best will have winning, championship teams. Those who don’t will be average at best. Tara is smart enough to know the game has changed radically and sure enough of herself to be able to say “I don’t want to play in this sandbox anymore.”
In full disclosure. All of the above is my speculation; I’ve had absolutely no conversations with the leaders of Stanford WBB about this topic.”
RE: Mudhead - Goose - 04-19-2024
(04-19-2024, 12:15 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: This is true for the moment but unlikely to be the case much longer. Virginia just passed legislation allowing schools to pay players directly for NIL and other states are sure to follow. Hard to see the NCAA having any authority to stop them at this point and that's assuming they had an interest in even attempting to do so. The white flag is slowly being raised in Indianapolis.I don't agree. I think that flag has at the masthead several years. While the NCAA is trying to surrender, they are now so irrelevant that nobody has even bothered to accept their surrender.
RE: Mudhead - old spanish trail - 04-19-2024
(04-19-2024, 04:00 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-19-2024, 12:15 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: This is true for the moment but unlikely to be the case much longer. Virginia just passed legislation allowing schools to pay players directly for NIL and other states are sure to follow. Hard to see the NCAA having any authority to stop them at this point and that's assuming they had an interest in even attempting to do so. The white flag is slowly being raised in Indianapolis.I don't agree. I think that flag has at the masthead several years. While the NCAA is trying to surrender, they are now so irrelevant that nobody has even bothered to accept their surrender.
Lol, Goose.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - petersalas - 04-19-2024
Although it was a long shot, I held out hope until now.. there’s still no school announcement, but she posted her goodbye to Stanford:
https://x.com/kikiiriafen/status/1781463068532506728?s=46&t=4RIjvxZZM4wjQaSyTEUwgA
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - JohnR34231 - 04-20-2024
(04-19-2024, 06:42 PM)petersalas Wrote: Although it was a long shot, I held out hope until now.. there’s still no school announcement, but she posted her goodbye to Stanford:
https://x.com/kikiiriafen/status/1781463068532506728?s=46&t=4RIjvxZZM4wjQaSyTEUwgA
I wonder what is holding up her announcement since she apparently knows where she wants to go, or has least has it narrowed down to a few schools. Graduate school admission, NIL negotiations?
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - MV72018 - 04-20-2024
(04-19-2024, 06:42 PM)petersalas Wrote: Although it was a long shot, I held out hope until now.. there’s still no school announcement, but she posted her goodbye to Stanford:
https://x.com/kikiiriafen/status/1781463068532506728?s=46&t=4RIjvxZZM4wjQaSyTEUwgA
When I click on this link, I get "Hmm...this page doesn't exist. Try searching for something else."
Curious.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - JohnR34231 - 04-20-2024
(04-20-2024, 08:44 AM)MV72018 Wrote:That happened to me the first time and then I waited a while, tried again and it worked. So give it another shot.(04-19-2024, 06:42 PM)petersalas Wrote: Although it was a long shot, I held out hope until now.. there’s still no school announcement, but she posted her goodbye to Stanford:
https://x.com/kikiiriafen/status/1781463068532506728?s=46&t=4RIjvxZZM4wjQaSyTEUwgA
When I click on this link, I get "Hmm...this page doesn't exist. Try searching for something else."
Curious.
She goes on and on about what a wonderful experience Stanford was for her. Almost makes you wonder why she doesn't want to stay another year, although I suspect we have hit on the reasons.
RE: Iriafen hits the portal - PalmTree - 04-20-2024
(04-20-2024, 09:02 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(04-20-2024, 08:44 AM)MV72018 Wrote:(04-19-2024, 06:42 PM)petersalas Wrote: Although it was a long shot, I held out hope until now.. there’s still no school announcement, but she posted her goodbye to Stanford:
https://x.com/kikiiriafen/status/1781463068532506728?s=46&t=4RIjvxZZM4wjQaSyTEUwgA
When I click on this link, I get "Hmm...this page doesn't exist. Try searching for something else."
Curious.
That happened to me the first time and then I waited a while, tried again and it worked. So give it another shot.
She goes on and on about what a wonderful experience Stanford was for her. Almost makes you wonder why she doesn't want to stay another year, although I suspect we have hit on the reasons.
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The IG link works https://www.instagram.com/p/C59h4bhPH_2/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==