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Mudhead - Mudhead - 07-08-2025

(07-07-2025, 11:29 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: Stanford and USC will be proud.

Understand and appreciate the wry humor of your post. It triggered a slightly different thought in my mind that may even be off topic. With that said, I think Stanford should embrace Kiki. Yes, in large part because she is successful. By all accounts she is a class act and , as much as I would have liked her to stay , I don’t blame anyone for taking $750,000 and a chance at a national championship rather than a rebuilding team at a school that wasn’t really into NIL.

I think we can present Kiki as a Stanford graduate who gave us years of hard effort and almost single handedly got us a step deeper in the NCAA tourney with a great performance. Yes she left, but she left before a rebuilding year where her presence might have added five wins to our record but would not have enabled us to be much of a factor in the national championship picture. She got her Stanford degree; she is a Stanford alum and we should embrace her careeer.

As a wise old man once advised me “if you can’t fix it, feature it.” Kiki is one of ours .

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - M T - 07-08-2025

Does that mean you support mercenaries as players if during the one year they play for pay from a team, they help that team?

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - 2006alum - 07-08-2025

Speaking of Stanford Ki's, Kiana Williams set a W career high of 17 points on 7-8 (and 3-4 outside) with 4 assists off the bench for Phoenix in their thrashing of the Wings. Let's hope she sticks because she's worked so hard for years to make it in the W.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - old spanish trail - 07-08-2025

(07-08-2025, 12:00 PM)2006alum Wrote: Speaking of Stanford Ki's, Kiana Williams set a W career high of 17 points on 7-8 (and 3-4 outside) with 4 assists off the bench for Phoenix in their thrashing of the Wings. Let's hope she sticks because she's worked so hard for years to make it in the W.

Agree, and I think she signed for the rest of the season.

RE: Mudhead - OCcardinal - 07-09-2025

(07-08-2025, 07:43 AM)Mudhead Wrote:
(07-07-2025, 11:29 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: Stanford and USC will be proud.

Understand and appreciate the wry humor of your post. It triggered a slightly different thought in my mind that may even be off topic. With that said, I think Stanford should embrace Kiki. Yes, in large part because she is successful. By all accounts she is a class act and , as much as I would have liked her to stay , I don’t blame anyone for taking $750,000 and a chance at a national championship rather than a rebuilding team at a school that wasn’t really into NIL.

I think we can present Kiki as a Stanford graduate who gave us years of hard effort and almost single handedly got us a step deeper in the NCAA tourney with a great performance. Yes she left, but she left before a rebuilding year where her presence might have added five wins to our record but would not have enabled us to be much of a factor in the national championship picture. She got her Stanford degree; she is a Stanford alum and we should embrace her careeer.

As a wise old man once advised me “if you can’t fix it, feature it.” Kiki is one of ours .

I 100% agree with this post. If you are a Stanford graduate you are an alum and forever affiliated with the university no matter where you might attend graduate school. And Kiki certainty considers herself a Cardinal. She wore Stanford gear in her Instagram post where she celebrated being selected as a WNBA All Star: Kiki Celebration Dance

I've also seen other Stanford sports celebrate grad transfers. In May, for example, Stanford soccer tweeted about Kyra Carusa being called up to the Ireland National Team despite the fact she had transferred to Georgetown as a grad transfer with a year of eligibility left.

We also don't know the circumstances of any given player's grad transfer (like whether they failed to gain admission to the Stanford grad program of their choice-as happened to me), and we shouldn't want to know. Academics are important at Stanford and we should not treat any successful graduate as persona non grata because they ended up attending a non-Stanford grad school.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - Nobadeer - 07-09-2025

Dallas has reportedly signed Haley Jones to something called a "rest of the season" contract, which sounds promising for Jones!

The Valkyries routed the Fever earlier today in Indiana, 80-61. Hull did not start, for the first time in weeks, but played 24 minutes, with 5 pts, a game-high 9 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl.

Phx upset Minn, Kiana Williams played 16 minutes, 2 pts, 2 reb. Alanna Smith was held to 2 pts but had 9 reb.

Seattle scored only 9 points in the 4th quarter and lost to lowly Connecticut. Ogwumike didn't shoot her best but had another double-double, 12 pts, 12 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl.

RE: Mudhead - crackpot - 07-09-2025

(07-09-2025, 11:29 AM)OCcardinal Wrote:
(07-08-2025, 07:43 AM)Mudhead Wrote:
(07-07-2025, 11:29 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: Stanford and USC will be proud.

Understand and appreciate the wry humor of your post. It triggered a slightly different thought in my mind that may even be off topic. With that said, I think Stanford should embrace Kiki. Yes, in large part because she is successful. By all accounts she is a class act and , as much as I would have liked her to stay , I don’t blame anyone for taking $750,000 and a chance at a national championship rather than a rebuilding team at a school that wasn’t really into NIL.

I think we can present Kiki as a Stanford graduate who gave us years of hard effort and almost single handedly got us a step deeper in the NCAA tourney with a great performance. Yes she left, but she left before a rebuilding year where her presence might have added five wins to our record but would not have enabled us to be much of a factor in the national championship picture. She got her Stanford degree; she is a Stanford alum and we should embrace her careeer.

As a wise old man once advised me “if you can’t fix it, feature it.” Kiki is one of ours .
I 100% agree with this post. If you are a Stanford graduate you are an alum and forever affiliated with the university no matter where you might attend graduate school. And Kiki certainty considers herself a Cardinal. She wore Stanford gear in her Instagram post where she celebrated being selected as a WNBA All Star: Kiki Celebration Dance

I've also seen other Stanford sports celebrate grad transfers. In May, for example, Stanford soccer tweeted about Kyra Carusa being called up to the Ireland National Team despite the fact she had transferred to Georgetown as a grad transfer with a year of eligibility left.

We also don't know the circumstances of any given player's grad transfer (like whether they failed to gain admission to the Stanford grad program of their choice-as happened to me), and we shouldn't want to know. Academics are important at Stanford and we should not treat any successful graduate as persona non grata because they ended up attending a non-Stanford grad school.

I've long been annoyed by SWBB ignoring former players who actually graduated, though several sports trip over themselves touting Tiger Woods (AFAIK, not a grad). I'd rather they all be celebrated.

RE: Mudhead - old spanish trail - 07-09-2025

(07-09-2025, 05:06 PM)crackpot Wrote:
(07-09-2025, 11:29 AM)OCcardinal Wrote:
(07-08-2025, 07:43 AM)Mudhead Wrote:
(07-07-2025, 11:29 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: Stanford and USC will be proud.

Understand and appreciate the wry humor of your post. It triggered a slightly different thought in my mind that may even be off topic. With that said, I think Stanford should embrace Kiki. Yes, in large part because she is successful. By all accounts she is a class act and , as much as I would have liked her to stay , I don’t blame anyone for taking $750,000 and a chance at a national championship rather than a rebuilding team at a school that wasn’t really into NIL.

I think we can present Kiki as a Stanford graduate who gave us years of hard effort and almost single handedly got us a step deeper in the NCAA tourney with a great performance. Yes she left, but she left before a rebuilding year where her presence might have added five wins to our record but would not have enabled us to be much of a factor in the national championship picture. She got her Stanford degree; she is a Stanford alum and we should embrace her careeer.

As a wise old man once advised me “if you can’t fix it, feature it.” Kiki is one of ours .
I 100% agree with this post. If you are a Stanford graduate you are an alum and forever affiliated with the university no matter where you might attend graduate school. And Kiki certainty considers herself a Cardinal. She wore Stanford gear in her Instagram post where she celebrated being selected as a WNBA All Star: Kiki Celebration Dance

I've also seen other Stanford sports celebrate grad transfers. In May, for example, Stanford soccer tweeted about Kyra Carusa being called up to the Ireland National Team despite the fact she had transferred to Georgetown as a grad transfer with a year of eligibility left.

We also don't know the circumstances of any given player's grad transfer (like whether they failed to gain admission to the Stanford grad program of their choice-as happened to me), and we shouldn't want to know. Academics are important at Stanford and we should not treat any successful graduate as persona non grata because they ended up attending a non-Stanford grad school.

I've long been annoyed by SWBB ignoring former players who actually graduated, though several sports trip over themselves touting Tiger Woods (AFAIK, not a grad). I'd rather they all be celebrated.

Agree re SWBB

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - jonnyss - 07-09-2025

(07-09-2025, 03:14 PM)Nobadeer Wrote: Dallas has reportedly signed Haley Jones to something called a "rest of the season" contract, which sounds promising for Jones!

for those who say about haley that a 6'1 player with a 28% 3-point average is a tweener with no place in the wnba, i believe kayla thornton of the valkyries is now an all-star with those metrics.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - BillBradley - 07-10-2025

(07-09-2025, 06:19 PM)jonnyss Wrote:
(07-09-2025, 03:14 PM)Nobadeer Wrote: Dallas has reportedly signed Haley Jones to something called a "rest of the season" contract, which sounds promising for Jones!

for those who say about haley that a 6'1 player with a 28% 3-point average is a tweener with no place in the wnba, i believe kayla thornton of the valkyries is now an all-star with those metrics.

True, not a great shooter. But a career 32% from 3 is "good enough" given that she's an excellent rebounder and can guard all 5 positions. She is VERY good defensively. That was one of the other things mentioned about Haley - she's limited on who she can guard.

FWIW, I don't think Thornton is an all-star caliber player (there are many others who have had better seasons), but they had to pick one all-star from GSV because they've had such a good inaugural year. She's probably the best choice, from a team that really defends well.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - BobK - 07-10-2025

Sadly Kiana was waived today

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - Leftcoast - 07-10-2025

(07-10-2025, 09:44 AM)BobK Wrote: Sadly Kiana was waived today

Sad indeed. Didn't we think she was signed through the remainder of the season? That's reported on her Wiki page as well.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - chimera - 07-10-2025

WNBA contracts are weird. End of season contracts do not mean they stay until the end of the season. It just means they are not on a hardship contract, which have specific rules as to when a team can use them and for how long. The player has limited time on a team before a hardship contract runs out. End of season contracts are not necessarily guaranteed so the player can be waived at any time. There are rules that say someone's salary on that sort of contract must be paid for the rest of the year if they are on a team after a certain date I believe. If a team waived the player after that date they have that salary on the books against the salary cap. I hope I got all that right.

I have season tickets to Valkyries games. So far it has been a lot of fun. The atmosphere is very different from college games, much more like the NBA with constant music, a hype person to constantly get the crowd cheering, lots of flash, etc. Noisy but fun. The level of play is much better but the game is even more physical. Play is much faster. The players are more athletic. Chase Center is a nice place to watch games.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - old spanish trail - 07-10-2025

(07-10-2025, 09:44 AM)BobK Wrote: Sadly Kiana was waived today

Shoot. Fooled me.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - TheFarm07 - 07-10-2025

(07-10-2025, 06:03 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:
(07-10-2025, 09:44 AM)BobK Wrote: Sadly Kiana was waived today
Shoot. Fooled me.

I hope with two new teams entering the league next year in Portland and Toronto, Kiana will get another chance to prove her capabilities

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - Hieronymus - 07-11-2025

C

(07-10-2025, 09:42 PM)TheFarm07 Wrote:
(07-10-2025, 06:03 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:
(07-10-2025, 09:44 AM)BobK Wrote: Sadly Kiana was waived today
Shoot. Fooled me.

I hope with two new teams entering the league next year in Portland and Toronto, Kiana will get another chance to prove her capabilities

The league definitely needs the expansion - just too few open opportunities in a year with only 13 teams and 12 roster spots. 156 players total; so you maybe have 20-30 open spots in a year. That isn’t very many, especially when you have a talented pool of players on various short-term contracts floating around.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - WBB fan - 07-11-2025

Cameron Brink has returned to practice with the Sparks. Hoped for return to games, maybe a couple of weeks, following the all star break.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - BostonCard - 07-11-2025

(07-11-2025, 07:57 AM)Hieronymus Wrote: C
(07-10-2025, 09:42 PM)TheFarm07 Wrote:
(07-10-2025, 06:03 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:
(07-10-2025, 09:44 AM)BobK Wrote: Sadly Kiana was waived today
Shoot. Fooled me.

I hope with two new teams entering the league next year in Portland and Toronto, Kiana will get another chance to prove her capabilities

The league definitely needs the expansion - just too few open opportunities in a year with only 13 teams and 12 roster spots. 156 players total; so you maybe have 20-30 open spots in a year. That isn’t very many, especially when you have a talented pool of players on various short-term contracts floating around.

That’s why I don’t get when people malign Jones for having trouble in the league. She’s one of the 200 best women’s basketball players on the planet. That’s like the top 0.000005% of women. That she is not one of the best 100 women’s basketball players isn’t really that much of an indictment.

BC

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - 2006alum - 07-11-2025

(07-11-2025, 05:34 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(07-11-2025, 07:57 AM)Hieronymus Wrote: C
(07-10-2025, 09:42 PM)TheFarm07 Wrote:
(07-10-2025, 06:03 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:
(07-10-2025, 09:44 AM)BobK Wrote: Sadly Kiana was waived today
Shoot. Fooled me.

I hope with two new teams entering the league next year in Portland and Toronto, Kiana will get another chance to prove her capabilities

The league definitely needs the expansion - just too few open opportunities in a year with only 13 teams and 12 roster spots. 156 players total; so you maybe have 20-30 open spots in a year. That isn’t very many, especially when you have a talented pool of players on various short-term contracts floating around.

That’s why I don’t get when people malign Jones for having trouble in the league. She’s one of the 200 best women’s basketball players on the planet. That’s like the top 0.000005% of women. That she is not one of the best 100 women’s basketball players isn’t really that much of an indictment.

BC

I'm not sure who you're thinking of who's seeking to indict her. I think a lot of us are disappointed that her trajectory has been from consensus number one recruit, to first team All-American, to 6th draft pick, to not sticking to a roster. And being merely the 200th best player willing to play in the US means we don't get to see her play much at all, so that's also disappointing.

I think the separate line of discussion, which may have a tinge of maligning, is that she seemed to have no qualms about burning bridges exiting Stanford (skipping her senior banquet, her podcast giggled with Lauren Betts, not coming back for Tara's record setting game, never once coming back to Stanford, etc.) Obviously we don't know how justified her reasons were, but for fans who were hoping and expecting to root for the next great representative of Stanford turned WNBA pro, neither part has worked out as planned and I think lingering fan disappointment and dissatisfaction is totally understandable, even if not universally shared.

RE: WBB Stanford WNBA - Hieronymus - 07-13-2025

Not directly Stanford, but relevant to how tough it is to get/keep a job in the WNBA - Pili got released by the Lynx in year 2 of her career after being the 8th pick last year. She was averaging under 2 pts and 2 rebounds a game. Great college player we are all obviously very familiar with who never got any real traction with the Lynx.