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RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 07-04-2024
(07-04-2024, 02:15 PM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:Buddy Hield is joining the Golden State Warriors in a sign-and-trade deal with the Philadelphia 76ers that guarantees him two years and $21 million, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Thursday.
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Pairing Hield with Stephen Curry will give the Warriors the top two 3-point scorers over the past five seasons. Hield is a 40% 3-point shooter in his career.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40495642/sources-buddy-hield-guaranteed-21m-sign-trade-warriors
I really like the way the Warriors are shaping up. Hield can really shoot. He probably wont go 0 for 10 in a playoff game, so...like Klay, but better. Melton looks like an excellent backup, 26 yrs old, doesn't turn the ball over much. Solid rebounder for a 6'2" guard. I like Kyle Anderson as an alt-Draymond, 6'9", tough on himself and others, had an eye injury last year which probably led to his drop in value this year. He still boards well, doesn't turn over the ball much. Shot 41% from 3 pt range two years ago. Lindy Waters, capable at the end of the bench.
If they get Markkanen and lose Wiggins, the Warriors will be in a happy place.
Interesting factoid: six Warriors had net negative offensive ratings vs. defensive ratings last season. One hardly played (Usman Garuba, 65O, 101D, -36), three were cut (Jerome Robinson, 92O, 118D, -26; Cory Joseph, 108O, 119D, -11; Lester Quinones, 113O, 118D, -5). The other two were Andrew Wiggins (112O, 119D, -7) and Klay Thompson (113O, 118D, -5). All other Warriors had positive offensive vs. defensive ratings.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 08-06-2024
Warriors didn't get Markkanen. They offered Moody and basically every pick they could plus pick swaps for the next four years. Utah countered with Podziemski and the picks. Deal didn't get done.
The only other two big names available are Zach Lavine (owed $138 million over three years, played 25 games last season) and Brandon Ingram of the Pelicans ($36 mms. on an expiring contract). Warriors have no interest in either. They have 14 players under contract and are believed to be satisfied with the existing lineup.
RE: NBA Discussion - gocard14 - 08-07-2024
(08-06-2024, 11:32 AM)Mick Wrote: Warriors didn't get Markkanen. They offered Moody and basically every pick they could plus pick swaps for the next four years. Utah countered with Podziemski and the picks. Deal didn't get done.
The only other two big names available are Zach Lavine (owed $138 million over three years, played 25 games last season) and Brandon Ingram of the Pelicans ($36 mms. on an expiring contract). Warriors have no interest in either. They have 14 players under contract and are believed to be satisfied with the existing lineup.
It's hard to know how to feel about this development without knowing the true ask. I like podz but if the Jazz would have accepted a package like Podz, Moody, and 2 FRPs we should have done it. If they wanted Podz AND the full 3 FRPs/4 swaps, then the price was just too high.
The bullish case for this season is as follows:
Upgraded rotation, replacing Klay (who was a net negative last year) and Saric with Melton, Hield, Anderson
Improved play from the young guys. Podz and Kuminga may take a leap, and TJD should improve as well.
Draymond is available and not suspended.
The vets have indicated they expect much improved play from Wiggins this year. Whether this is just hyping him up to will it into existence or the effects of a better offseason and improved personal issues remains to be seen.
If this comes to pass, the Warriors could be a deadline move or two away from being a legit contender in a stacked west.
The bear case:
Steph is older/worse. Olympics haven't been reassuring in this regard. If steph is struggling and Podz/Kuminga/wiggins don't step up this team could really struggle in the half court offensively.
Wiggins is who he is and it is foolish to hope otherwise
Kuminga remains a flashy player but not a reliable contributor to winning basketball.
This team is struggling to fight for a play in spot, and if steph misses any real time may even shift gears to Zag for Flag.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 08-07-2024
(08-07-2024, 09:40 AM)gocard14 Wrote:(08-06-2024, 11:32 AM)Mick Wrote: Warriors didn't get Markkanen. They offered Moody and basically every pick they could plus pick swaps for the next four years. Utah countered with Podziemski and the picks. Deal didn't get done.
The only other two big names available are Zach Lavine (owed $138 million over three years, played 25 games last season) and Brandon Ingram of the Pelicans ($36 mms. on an expiring contract). Warriors have no interest in either. They have 14 players under contract and are believed to be satisfied with the existing lineup.
It's hard to know how to feel about this development without knowing the true ask. I like podz but if the Jazz would have accepted a package like Podz, Moody, and 2 FRPs we should have done it. If they wanted Podz AND the full 3 FRPs/4 swaps, then the price was just too high.
The bullish case for this season is as follows:
Upgraded rotation, replacing Klay (who was a net negative last year) and Saric with Melton, Hield, Anderson
Improved play from the young guys. Podz and Kuminga may take a leap, and TJD should improve as well.
Draymond is available and not suspended.
The vets have indicated they expect much improved play from Wiggins this year. Whether this is just hyping him up to will it into existence or the effects of a better offseason and improved personal issues remains to be seen.
If this comes to pass, the Warriors could be a deadline move or two away from being a legit contender in a stacked west.
The bear case:
Steph is older/worse. Olympics haven't been reassuring in this regard. If steph is struggling and Podz/Kuminga/wiggins don't step up this team could really struggle in the half court offensively.
Wiggins is who he is and it is foolish to hope otherwise
Kuminga remains a flashy player but not a reliable contributor to winning basketball.
This team is struggling to fight for a play in spot, and if steph misses any real time may even shift gears to Zag for Flag.
I'm hopeful that Steph's struggles are related to his highly refined game with tighter parameters for shooting than most players. The NBA basketball has tighter size restrictions than the Olympics basketball. If he's playing with a slightly larger, heavier ball and he's dealing with a nine hour time difference, then it's a little bit understandable. If not, if Father Time has caught up with Steph, well then that's a system-wide problem that no Markkanen can fix.
I thought Tom Tolbert had an interesting perspective on Wiggins, Kuminga, Podziemski, Green and Steph. He said that instinctive basketball players will always have an edge over non-instinctive players. He felt that Curry, Draymond and Podz are all instinctive ballplayers, that they will always be a half-step or more ahead of typical NBA players because of their instincts. He stated that neither Wiggins nor Kuminga are instinctive ballplayers, that their time on court will always be dominated by the need to process where to go and what to do. In short, they can't really anticipate. They can play well, and they have athletic gifts, but the have to be coached into situations where they don't need to anticipate.
Agree with everything you stated. I think that Klay actually went to the one team in the NBA in which he could successfully start, given the surplus of stars who know how to pass. I still think the odds are that Klay breaks down this year and continues to regress badly. After this season, I don't have any confidence that you'll even see vestiges of the old Klay. He's an 0-for-10-when-it-counts player. Wish it were different, I really do.
RE: NBA Discussion - BostonCard - 08-08-2024
(08-07-2024, 11:57 AM)Mick Wrote: Steph is older/worse. Olympics haven't been reassuring in this regard. If steph is struggling and Podz/Kuminga/wiggins don't step up this team could really struggle in the half court offensively.
Steph: "Hold my beer"
https://x.com/KevonLooneyMuse/status/1821658486088069509
Quote:36 PTS (led everyone) (T-Most ever)
8 REB
2 AST
9 3PM
+20 (led everyone)
12/19 FG
9/14 3PT
88.6% TS
BC
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 08-08-2024
(08-08-2024, 05:08 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(08-07-2024, 11:57 AM)Mick Wrote: Steph is older/worse. Olympics haven't been reassuring in this regard. If steph is struggling and Podz/Kuminga/wiggins don't step up this team could really struggle in the half court offensively.
Steph: "Hold my beer"
https://x.com/KevonLooneyMuse/status/1821658486088069509
Quote:36 PTS (led everyone) (T-Most ever)
8 REB
2 AST
9 3PM
+20 (led everyone)
12/19 FG
9/14 3PT
88.6% TS
BC
Yes, and without this very timely performance in which Steph shot into the tied-for-25th-in-Olympics-scoring spot, the U. S. would be playing for a bronze medal. And without this performance, Steph had scored just 29 points on 35.7% shooting, and 25% on his three pointers in four games against Brazil, South Sudan, Puerto Rico and the first game against Serbia in which he had 11 points.
Still...my favorite part is that he has averaged just one turnover per game. Hope that carries over into the NBA season. He's going to turn 37 this season. He had an extraordinary year last year, played the most games and most cumulative minutes since the 2016-17 season. Too bad they didn't get Markkanen, but I actually like this team.
RE: NBA Discussion - gocard14 - 08-08-2024
Seeing Steph and Lebron and KD playing joyous basketball is just awesome. I know odds of this are nil but I'm still holding out hope for team old man for the 25-26 season.
After another season of warriors, lakers, and suns futility against the rising young teams, Lebron opts out and joins the warriors. We trade for KD, and let the old stars give it a last go. Almost certainly not a title winning team but would just be epic fun.
RE: NBA Discussion - BobK - 08-10-2024
Tell me again that Curry is too old
RE: NBA Discussion - BostonCard - 08-10-2024
Four threes in the last three minutes (8 in the game) to take a three point lead into “goodnight” territory.
BC
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 08-10-2024
(08-10-2024, 02:19 PM)BobK Wrote: Tell me again that Curry is too old
Not too old. Now he just needs to keep it up for 100 straight NBA games...
RE: NBA Discussion - cardcrimson - 08-11-2024
(08-08-2024, 08:22 PM)gocard14 Wrote: Seeing Steph and Lebron and KD playing joyous basketball is just awesome. I know odds of this are nil but I'm still holding out hope for team old man for the 25-26 season.The Decision, or whatever it was spoiled it for me with LeBron. Not a fan, as it always seems to be all about him. Narcissus in a uni . . . .Would not be good to see him as a Warrior, at all.
After another season of warriors, lakers, and suns futility against the rising young teams, Lebron opts out and joins the warriors. We trade for KD, and let the old stars give it a last go. Almost certainly not a title winning team but would just be epic fun.
RE: NBA Discussion - gocard14 - 08-11-2024
(08-11-2024, 06:16 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(08-08-2024, 08:22 PM)gocard14 Wrote: Seeing Steph and Lebron and KD playing joyous basketball is just awesome. I know odds of this are nil but I'm still holding out hope for team old man for the 25-26 season.The Decision, or whatever it was spoiled it for me with LeBron. Not a fan, as it always seems to be all about him. Narcissus in a uni . . . .Would not be good to see him as a Warrior, at all.
After another season of warriors, lakers, and suns futility against the rising young teams, Lebron opts out and joins the warriors. We trade for KD, and let the old stars give it a last go. Almost certainly not a title winning team but would just be epic fun.
He is interesting in that he has very narcissistic in his approach to team building/career but quite selfless on the basketball court. I think being a warrior would actually limit any of said issues since it would still be "Steph's team." This was an issue for KD earlier but he may have grown enough and learned through experience that having it be "your team" isn't all it's cracked up to be.
FWIW Lebron did raise a ton of money for charity with the decision. And has acknowledged regret for how it came across afterwards. While I don't love everything about him i find it hard to hate Lebron as stars go and certainly wouldn't be against having him as Steph's number 2.
TrumpCard - TrumpCard - 08-12-2024
(08-11-2024, 06:16 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: The Decision, or whatever it was spoiled it for me with LeBron. Not a fan, as it always seems to be all about him. Narcissus in a uni . . . .Would not be good to see him as a Warrior, at all.
I’m amused by all the haters. LeBron was a star when he was still a kid and easily could have been spoiled by the fame and money. Instead, what did he do? Stayed with the same woman since day 1. Actively parented his kids. Gave enormous amounts of time and money to philanthropic causes. Returned to his hometown to win a championship. Put in the work every day to stay on the top of his game through age 39. Competed 4 times for his country for no pay. The dude is a stand up guy and the ego is well earned. Any team in the league would be beyond thrilled to have him.
RE: TrumpCard - old spanish trail - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 02:03 AM)TrumpCard Wrote:(08-11-2024, 06:16 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: The Decision, or whatever it was spoiled it for me with LeBron. Not a fan, as it always seems to be all about him. Narcissus in a uni . . . .Would not be good to see him as a Warrior, at all.
I’m amused by all the haters. LeBron was a star when he was still a kid and easily could have been spoiled by the fame and money. Instead, what did he do? Stayed with the same woman since day 1. Actively parented his kids. Gave enormous amounts of time and money to philanthropic causes. Returned to his hometown to win a championship. Put in the work every day to stay on the top of his game through age 39. Competed 4 times for his country for no pay. The dude is a stand up guy and the ego is well earned. Any team in the league would be beyond thrilled to have him.
Same
RE: TrumpCard - cardcrimson - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 02:03 AM)TrumpCard Wrote:(08-11-2024, 06:16 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: The Decision, or whatever it was spoiled it for me with LeBron. Not a fan, as it always seems to be all about him. Narcissus in a uni . . . .Would not be good to see him as a Warrior, at all.
I’m amused by all the haters. LeBron was a star when he was still a kid and easily could have been spoiled by the fame and money. Instead, what did he do? Stayed with the same woman since day 1. Actively parented his kids. Gave enormous amounts of time and money to philanthropic causes. Returned to his hometown to win a championship. Put in the work every day to stay on the top of his game through age 39. Competed 4 times for his country for no pay. The dude is a stand up guy and the ego is well earned. Any team in the league would be beyond thrilled to have him.
"Hater"? Seriously? I said I'm not a fan, and I'm not, but I don't understand why "not a fan" becomes a "hater"? Why the personal attack?
I'm not a fan of LeBron. Give me Steph every day of the week, and twice on Sundays, and I think he checks most of the same boxes you mentioned, but without the attitude.
As for your philanthropic notions, I lived in Syracuse in the 90's, home to the largest ponzi scheme in history up until Madoff. Those running it? The most influential and philanthropic family in town: https://www.syracuse.com/news/2014/12/edmund_t_bennett_founder_of_the_bennett_companies_dies.html
RE: TrumpCard - Leftcoast - 08-12-2024
With CC on this one! I'm not a hater but. I'm also in no hurry to see Lebron in a Warriors uniform.
RE: NBA Discussion - jonnyss - 08-20-2024
whether you like his candidate or not, that was a beautiful speech by steve kerr yesterday.
and regarding lebron, except for the olympics i've always been rooting against his teams, but i was impressed by his acting chops in "trainwreck," in which he plays a friend rather than a basketball player.
RE: NBA Discussion - TrumpCard - 08-29-2024
The Warriors paid 62mm to extend Curry's contract through the 2026-2027 season. I would be interested in y'all's view as to whether this contract is a good value proposition or whether the Warriors should be looking to rebuild by that time. Regardless, I wish Curry and the Warriors the best (when they're not playing the Lakers).
RE: NBA Discussion - French Rage - 08-29-2024
LeBron certainly didn't do himself any favors with The Decision; I think that turned a lot of people off from him for a number of years. But once you get past that youthful indiscretion, as another poster mentioned there are a lot of things to like about him. And he's simply a great player and his records speak for themselves; people can argue how much of an all-time great, but his level of play for 20+ years is impressive. But as another poster mentioned, danged if I don't find myself ever rooting for him in the NBA; in the late 00s I was a Pistons fan so his Cav teams were going up against the end of that era Pistons in the playoffs; in the early 10s I don't think anyone outside of south Florida wanted the heat to win squat; and during the late 10s even though it was cool he was with the Cavs I was rooting for the Warriors; and same with the Lakers of the 20s. So while I'm always rooting against him I still think he's a great player and seems like a decent guy. But as yet even another poster said, he had the unfortunateness (?) to be around the same time as Curry who tics a lot of those boxes without the downside of The Decision and is playing for a Bay Area team, so to this area he was always the "other" when it came playoff time.
RE: NBA Discussion - TrumpCard - 08-29-2024
(08-29-2024, 03:12 PM)French Rage Wrote: LeBron certainly didn't do himself any favors with The Decision; I think that turned a lot of people off from him for a number of years. But once you get past that youthful indiscretion, as another poster mentioned there are a lot of things to like about him. And he's simply a great player and his records speak for themselves; people can argue how much of an all-time great, but his level of play for 20+ years is impressive. But as another poster mentioned, danged if I don't find myself ever rooting for him in the NBA; in the late 00s I was a Pistons fan so his Cav teams were going up against the end of that era Pistons in the playoffs; in the early 10s I don't think anyone outside of south Florida wanted the heat to win squat; and during the late 10s even though it was cool he was with the Cavs I was rooting for the Warriors; and same with the Lakers of the 20s. So while I'm always rooting against him I still think he's a great player and seems like a decent guy. But as yet even another poster said, he had the unfortunateness (?) to be around the same time as Curry who tics a lot of those boxes without the downside of The Decision and is playing for a Bay Area team, so to this area he was always the "other" when it came playoff time.
This is a lovely attempt to mediate. You're right of course that few NBA fans would root for a superstar playing for a rival of "their" team. I certainly never rooted for Larry Bird or Tim Duncan. My only critique of your position is that you've made it seem like you're just echoing what cardcrimson said above. But cardcrimson said that he would never want LeBron to be a Warrior because LeBron is "Narcissus in a uni." As you've said, however, LeBron seems like a decent guy as far as star pro athletes go. To my knowledge, he hasn't harmed team chemistry anyplace he's been. He even won a championship with Kyrie Irving, a player who's been toxic on other teams. I see no reason that LeBron wouldn't be a great fit on the Warriors (or virtually any other team), but I'd be happy if no other team wanted him so he could just remain a Laker until Father Time ultimately wins its battle with him.