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1 Corinthians 11 - Phogge - 07-21-2022

... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - SamuelMcF - 07-21-2022

See you in the fall!

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - Mick - 07-21-2022

(07-21-2022, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote:  ... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

When SCU finally dropped football, the level of ball was D2-average.  I remember SCU playing San Jose State for the last time in 1982, and they were down 30-0 at the half, en route to a 40-0 loss.  It was not good football. That's not to say they didn't have the occasional NFL-ready player, but most of them were far from it.  In their last few seasons, I watched a very good passing game with the QB, TE and WRs playing at a high level, either a long NFL career (Brent Jones), or a long CFL career or invitations to NFL camps.  But it didn't hold a candle to Stanford's passing game, even at Stanford's very worst. 

In short, I didn't miss SCU's program. When I was in school, I attended few SCU games, the skill level just wasn't that high.  But I would definitely miss Stanford football.  I don't want to do without it.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - MV72018 - 07-21-2022

(07-21-2022, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote:  ... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

The demise of college football is underway. The phenomenon of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) and its relationship to head blows sustained in football sounded the eventual death knell for college football. Of course, it will take longer for it to be discontinued in the South where football is worshipped (see the phenomenon of H. Walker in GA) and in the NFL where billions of bbucks are at stake. Needless to say the compelling evidence of the linkage between football and CTE will be doggedly denied, as it was by many for years in the case of cigarette smoking. Nonetheless, for college football. the countdown to termination has already started.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - Maple Leaf - 07-21-2022

(07-21-2022, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote:  ... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

Between the brain injury issues (CTE), brain malfunctioning (SEC, B1G, usc, ucla, and all their buddies) and brain f**ting (espn+fox) there has never been a better time to leave college football and focus other sports and increase their respective levels of participation.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - Langdude - 07-21-2022

(07-21-2022, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote:  ... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

It's actually 1 Corinthians 13, but I catch your drift, especially re: CTE. The verse goes on to say that, at present, we see only in part. But in the fall, we shall see these players and this team more clearly.

We all know it will be a bad season, and the future of the conference is in doubt. But I am still guessing that I will follow along avidly, rooting for individual players, or getting excited about a freshman's play, or lauding the improvement of a formerly unheralded player, or exulting in an upset win somewhere. And there is always the Axe. Nothing like college football, especially on a sunny day in Stanford Stadium, preceded by some brats and a cold blond ale. 

-m.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - msqueri - 07-21-2022

But football is a better sport than the others.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - OutsiderFan - 07-21-2022

The Pac should get a jump on creating Flag Football as a sport, especially if it is going to be in the Olympics.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-exec-troy-vincent-says-flag-football-is-the-future-of-the-sport-aims-for-2028-olympics-competition/

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - TrumpCard - 07-21-2022

(07-21-2022, 09:34 AM)MV72018 Wrote:  
(07-21-2022, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote:  ... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

The demise of college football is underway. The phenomenon of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) and its relationship to head blows sustained in football sounded the eventual death knell for college football. Of course, it will take longer for it to be discontinued in the South where football is worshipped (see the phenomenon of H. Walker in GA) and in the NFL where billions of bbucks are at stake. Needless to say the compelling evidence of the linkage between football and CTE will be doggedly denied, as it was by many for years in the case of cigarette smoking. Nonetheless, for college football. the countdown to termination has already started.

College soccer too?  And is society okay with sports -- like boxing and MMA -- that clearly cause CTE, as long as the participants aren't affiliated with colleges?

Although the data we're seeing on CTE disturbs me a lot, I wonder whether people actually will steer their kids away from the sport, much less whether fans will leave in large numbers.  The national COVID response has made me rethink whether people are all that concerned with their health or with doing anything to preserve it.  We seem to move closer to Idiocracy every day.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - Phogge - 07-21-2022

(07-21-2022, 12:41 PM)Langdude Wrote:  
(07-21-2022, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote:  ... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

It's actually 1 Corinthians 13, but I catch your drift, especially re: CTE. The verse goes on to say that, at present, we see only in part. But in the fall, we shall see these players and this team more clearly.

We all know it will be a bad season, and the future of the conference is in doubt. But I am still guessing that I will follow along avidly, rooting for individual players, or getting excited about a freshman's play, or lauding the improvement of a formerly unheralded player, or exulting in an upset win somewhere. And there is always the Axe. Nothing like college football, especially on a sunny day in Stanford Stadium, preceded by some brats and a cold blond ale. 

-m.

Father Enright is probably still mad at me after 60 years for forgetting the proper verse. Of course soph year also had a few days of "Sexual instruction" which mostly meant no masturbating and the ultimate use of the rhythm method. High comedy and a few days of Detention or Jug for some of us.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - Goose - 07-21-2022

(07-21-2022, 01:08 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:  College soccer too?  And is society okay with sports -- like boxing and MMA -- that clearly cause CTE, as long as the participants aren't affiliated with colleges?


Although the data we're seeing on CTE disturbs me a lot, I wonder whether people actually will steer their kids away from the sport, much less whether fans will leave in large numbers.  The national COVID response has made me rethink whether people are all that concerned with their health or with doing anything to preserve it.  We seem to move closer to Idiocracy every day.
I understand your point but regarding sports of any kind, and almost all other activities in life, there are tradeoffs. Is the joy running brings you worth possibly damaging your knees? Is crossing the street too dangerous? Where the line is varies depending on how an individual weighs the probability and severity of the possible consequences vs. the benefits. If you don't enjoy playing soccer you probably won't do it, but if you do you may be willing to risk the possible CTE from heading the ball. I would personally be more worried about serious leg injury, because I think it is more probable. Then again, it doesn't have the severity of consequences.

I think boxing and MMA are just crazy and I can't understand why anybody would watch them or participate in them. I guess very many others disagree with me.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - Phogge - 07-21-2022

Boxing was great when there were boxers like Sugar Ray (the original), Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler. Too often the best fighters were robbed by their managers. When it went to pay TV I gave it up. Probably what I will do if college football goes to streaming. And Squeri nothing beats baseball, especially if there is a six month pennant race featuring the Giants ('59,'62 etc) which happens almost daily.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - gailtate - 07-22-2022

(07-21-2022, 12:41 PM)Langdude Wrote:  
(07-21-2022, 06:30 AM)Phogge Wrote:  ... When I was a man I put away childish things.”

Perhaps it’s time to put away college football. It certainly raises the question of what a university should be doing. Somehow USF, Santa Clara, Gonzaga and many others have survived without their students getting their brains bashed.

It's actually 1 Corinthians 13, but I catch your drift, especially re: CTE. The verse goes on to say that, at present, we see only in part. But in the fall, we shall see these players and this team more clearly.

We all know it will be a bad season, and the future of the conference is in doubt. But I am still guessing that I will follow along avidly, rooting for individual players, or getting excited about a freshman's play, or lauding the improvement of a formerly unheralded player, or exulting in an upset win somewhere. And there is always the Axe. Nothing like college football, especially on a sunny day in Stanford Stadium, preceded by some brats and a cold blond ale. 

-m.

I put away the things of childhood.  And yearn for it every autumn.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - winflop - 07-22-2022

(07-21-2022, 12:41 PM)msqueri Wrote:  But football is a better sport than the others.

I think you mean "Football is the worst sport, except for all the others"

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - TrumpCard - 07-22-2022

(07-21-2022, 03:18 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(07-21-2022, 01:08 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:  College soccer too?  And is society okay with sports -- like boxing and MMA -- that clearly cause CTE, as long as the participants aren't affiliated with colleges?


Although the data we're seeing on CTE disturbs me a lot, I wonder whether people actually will steer their kids away from the sport, much less whether fans will leave in large numbers.  The national COVID response has made me rethink whether people are all that concerned with their health or with doing anything to preserve it.  We seem to move closer to Idiocracy every day.
I understand your point but regarding sports of any kind, and almost all other activities in life, there are tradeoffs. Is the joy running brings you worth possibly damaging your knees? Is crossing the street too dangerous? Where the line is varies depending on how an individual weighs the probability and severity of the possible consequences vs. the benefits. If you don't enjoy playing soccer you probably won't do it, but if you do you may be willing to risk the possible CTE from heading the ball. I would personally be more worried about serious leg injury, because I think it is more probable. Then again, it doesn't have the severity of consequences.

I think boxing and MMA are just crazy and I can't understand why anybody would watch them or participate in them. I guess very many others disagree with me.

Until people start changing their wiring so that the best feeling in life is something other than moving a grown man from point A to point B against his will, we’re going to continue seeing heavy participation in CTE causing sports like football, boxing and MMA. I’m far less concerned with leg injuries, though maybe I’m wrong-headed. (See what I did there.)

I’m not sure why included soccer in my prior post. I usually say/write things to make a point, but I don’t think any soccer/CTE connection neatly fits in any argument I’m making.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - BostonCard - 07-23-2022

Sports wax and wane.  There was a time that boxing and baseball reigned supreme, and professional football was an afterthought.  Everyone keeps predicting that the other football (soccer) will take over because everyone under about 40 played it as a kid, and yet, I see no hint.  So, who knows.

BC

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - Phogge - 07-23-2022

College football is a professional minor league. The NFL gets away with industrial murder by not having to pay players salaries a la baseball.

And why doesn't MLB buy wooden bats to make college baseball a safer place for pitchers?

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - msqueri - 07-23-2022

Some observations of the data on Americans surveyed by age demographic:

* Football is the favorite sport of every single age demographic in America. It's consistently popular across all the demographics, but the 18-29 cohort is the group that likes it the least (still the most popular sport for that group though).

* The olds like baseball, their second favorite sport. Nobody else does. It's less popular than "none of the above" for every demographic below 65. For those under 29 baseball is in the same category as hockey and soccer. Yikes.

* Soccer is an irrelevancy. For no group is it the favorite sport for more than 7 percent of the cohort.

* If 18-29 year olds are the sign of the future/a leading indicator, the sport of the future is actually basketball. For no other cohort is basketball more popular than "none of the above" but for 18-29 it's the favorite sport of a whopping 29 percent, right on football's heels.

My bottom line: the 30-64 year olds for whom football is BY FAR the most favorite sport (two to five times more popular than any other sport for each cohort) are still going to be around for a while, so while we'll see basketball continue to cut into football's dominance, football will be the top dog for decades to come.

I'll put it this way: I turn 40 next year and I don't really anticipate there being a time in my sports-watching life in which the NBA is bigger than the NFL or college basketball is bigger than college football. I could be wrong about that and would welcome the counter-argument but it seems to me that football rules.

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - BostonCard - 07-23-2022

Good data;  here it is over time:

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Football has been the dominant sport while we both have been alive (I'm about 6 years ahead of you), so there is some staying power.  That being said, in 1948 baseball was where football is now.  It took about 20 years for football to overtake it, so it isn't out of the question that within your lifetime football will fall from its perch.  Then again, in 1948, football was a clear second, while today, basketball (mostly flat), baseball (still declining), and soccer (starting to increase after being as low as 2% as recently as 15 years ago) are all in a morass for second place.

The numbers fluctuate too much for any clear trends to emerge.  If you charitably anticipate that soccer goes up by 5% per decade and football declines by a similar amount, you might see soccer catch up to football by the time you are 70.

BC

RE: 1 Corinthians 11 - WindyCityCard - 07-23-2022

I'm pretty much at the point where I think Stanford should drop football.  I've been going to games since 1989, and for many years I was a season ticket holder.  But for several reasons I think it's just not right for Stanford anymore:

I don't see MTL or Drell dropping football.  MTL in particular doesn't have the spine for it.  In fact there's probably only one Stanford president or provost in the past 40 years with the requisite spine (ironically, Condi Rice, who had the spine for lots of things but obviously would never support eliminating football).