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Whoa! (Denver's dark horse head coach candidate) - CowboyIndian - 01-20-2023

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/20/nfl-news-david-shaw-dark-horse-for-broncos-head-coach-job/

RE: Whoa! - martyup - 01-20-2023

(01-20-2023, 09:30 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote: https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/20/nfl-news-david-shaw-dark-horse-for-broncos-head-coach-job/

Quote:If he does not end up getting the head coach job, Shaw might also be a candidate for Denver’s offensive coordinator position.

RE: Whoa! - OutsiderFan - 01-21-2023

David Shaw may develop into a fine NFL Head Coach, but I would be horrified at the thought of my team hiring him. Here's a metaphor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M0FfQzSngM

RE: Whoa! - lex24 - 01-21-2023

Hope he gets it he succeeds.

RE: Whoa! - MV72018 - 01-21-2023

(01-21-2023, 08:30 AM)lex24 Wrote: Hope he gets it he succeeds.

Edit, s'il vous plait. Do you mean, "Hope that if he gets it, he succeeds."?

RE: Whoa! - lex24 - 01-21-2023

(01-21-2023, 09:56 AM)MV72018 Wrote:
(01-21-2023, 08:30 AM)lex24 Wrote: Hope he gets it he succeeds.

Edit, s'il vous plait. Do you mean, "Hope that if he gets it, he succeeds."?

What I hope is that he gets the job and once installed as HC he and the Broncos do well.

If for no other reason then it would be terrific to see all the heads exploding on this board. Because we all know the guy can’t coach his way out of a paper bag right?

RE: Whoa! - Langdude - 01-21-2023

I truly hope he succeeds as well. Really. But it is clear that he has not been a good head coach at Stanford for many years. He’s produced negative outcomes, at both the player and team level, despite a very high remuneration and did not seem willing or able to make the necessary corrections. Maybe he needs a different system, a better boss, or a different staff. We’ll see.

-m.

RE: Whoa! - gailtate - 01-21-2023

(01-21-2023, 10:24 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-21-2023, 09:56 AM)MV72018 Wrote:
(01-21-2023, 08:30 AM)lex24 Wrote: Hope he gets it he succeeds.

Edit, s'il vous plait. Do you mean, "Hope that if he gets it, he succeeds."?

What I hope is that he gets the job and once installed as HC he and the Broncos do well.

If for no other reason then it would be terrific to see all the heads exploding on this board. Because we all know the guy can’t coach his way out of a paper bag right?

Doubtful he'll get the job but I wish him well. And I think the job he did at Stanford collapsed as soon as the big money and adulation overtook his instincts relative to adaptation and growth. It was one of the more spectacular self-immolations in recent memory.

RE: Whoa! - Bampa - 01-21-2023

If I were him, I'd count my money and then go fly fishing! (or whatever fills your heart with joy)

RE: Whoa! - Snorlax94 - 01-21-2023

Well I am not surprised because I already posted on a prior thread why Coach Shaw could be a better NFL coach than college coach. To recap some points:
In many ways, they are totally different games. A few coaches succeed at both, but many of the “best” college coaches failed miserably in the nfl because they may have great ability at certain things that just don’t matter in the nfl — like being a great fundraiser, convincing the administration of resources you need, convincing high school kids to come to your school, etc.

Conversely, Coach Shaw’s well-known acumen evaluating nfl talent isn’t something that necessarily helped in college. And his calm demeanor may hurt the energy level and motivation of kids, but it could help older, multimillionaire professionals play their best.

And last, there just aren’t enough coaches with a high possible ceiling. It’s worth taking a gamble on an unknown with an unknown ceiling in the nfl than a known coach with a known, limiting ceiling. In the nfl, what’s the worst that could happen? You’re not necessarily stuck with multiyear contract penalties like in college. All your guys can’t transfer out like in college. Why not take a gamble? Again, it is a very, very different game.

I find many of the comments hurled at David Shaw to be mean-spirited, unjustified and frankly not based on the facts when it comes to the differences between college and pro football.

RE: Whoa! - gailtate - 01-21-2023

(01-21-2023, 01:01 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Well I am not surprised because I already posted on a prior thread why Coach Shaw could be a better NFL coach than college coach. To recap some points:
In many ways, they are totally different games. A few coaches succeed at both, but many of the “best” college coaches failed miserably in the nfl because they may have great ability at certain things that just don’t matter in the nfl — like being a great fundraiser, convincing the administration of resources you need, convincing high school kids to come to your school, etc.

Conversely, Coach Shaw’s well-known acumen evaluating nfl talent isn’t something that necessarily helped in college. And his calm demeanor may hurt the energy level and motivation of kids, but it could help older, multimillionaire professionals play their best.

And last, there just aren’t enough coaches with a high possible ceiling. It’s worth taking a gamble on an unknown with an unknown ceiling in the nfl than a known coach with a known, limiting ceiling. In the nfl, what’s the worst that could happen? You’re not necessarily stuck with multiyear contract penalties like in college. All your guys can’t transfer out like in college. Why not take a gamble? Again, it is a very, very different game.

I find many of the comments hurled at David Shaw to be mean-spirited, unjustified and frankly not based on the facts when it comes to the differences between college and pro football.

His demeanor posed no problem whatsover during the Bowl Era. He was the same guy in good and not-so-good times. THAT was the root of the problem. The game changed. He did not. And he lost his appetite for what it was going to take to stay on top.

RE: Whoa! - winflop - 01-22-2023

Time to stop dwelling on the past. I wish Shaw nothing but success in the future. I am skeptical that he's a good hire but the people making these decisions are light years more knowledgeable about football than I will ever be.

RE: Whoa! - 81alum - 01-22-2023

(01-21-2023, 01:01 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Well I am not surprised because I already posted on a prior thread why Coach Shaw could be a better NFL coach than college coach. To recap some points:
In many ways, they are totally different games. A few coaches succeed at both, but many of the “best” college coaches failed miserably in the nfl because they may have great ability at certain things that just don’t matter in the nfl — like being a great fundraiser, convincing the administration of resources you need, convincing high school kids to come to your school, etc.

Conversely, Coach Shaw’s well-known acumen evaluating nfl talent isn’t something that necessarily helped in college. And his calm demeanor may hurt the energy level and motivation of kids, but it could help older, multimillionaire professionals play their best.

And last, there just aren’t enough coaches with a high possible ceiling. It’s worth taking a gamble on an unknown with an unknown ceiling in the nfl than a known coach with a known, limiting ceiling. In the nfl, what’s the worst that could happen? You’re not necessarily stuck with multiyear contract penalties like in college. All your guys can’t transfer out like in college. Why not take a gamble? Again, it is a very, very different game.

I find many of the comments hurled at David Shaw to be mean-spirited, unjustified and frankly not based on the facts when it comes to the differences between college and pro football.

Well said.

RE: Whoa! - Mick - 01-22-2023

(01-22-2023, 10:58 AM)81alum Wrote:
(01-21-2023, 01:01 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Well I am not surprised because I already posted on a prior thread why Coach Shaw could be a better NFL coach than college coach. To recap some points:
In many ways, they are totally different games. A few coaches succeed at both, but many of the “best” college coaches failed miserably in the nfl because they may have great ability at certain things that just don’t matter in the nfl — like being a great fundraiser, convincing the administration of resources you need, convincing high school kids to come to your school, etc.

Conversely, Coach Shaw’s well-known acumen evaluating nfl talent isn’t something that necessarily helped in college. And his calm demeanor may hurt the energy level and motivation of kids, but it could help older, multimillionaire professionals play their best.

And last, there just aren’t enough coaches with a high possible ceiling. It’s worth taking a gamble on an unknown with an unknown ceiling in the nfl than a known coach with a known, limiting ceiling. In the nfl, what’s the worst that could happen? You’re not necessarily stuck with multiyear contract penalties like in college. All your guys can’t transfer out like in college. Why not take a gamble? Again, it is a very, very different game.

I find many of the comments hurled at David Shaw to be mean-spirited, unjustified and frankly not based on the facts when it comes to the differences between college and pro football.
Well said.

+1. I think he'd do well at the NFL level.

RE: Whoa! - AlbanyCardinal - 01-22-2023

Points taken. You may be right that Shaw could be a better fit in the NFL. But to read that Denver may consider him for OC if he doesn't get the head coaching gig makes me second-guess Denver's intel from top to bottom.

(01-21-2023, 01:01 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Well I am not surprised because I already posted on a prior thread why Coach Shaw could be a better NFL coach than college coach. To recap some points:
In many ways, they are totally different games. A few coaches succeed at both, but many of the “best” college coaches failed miserably in the nfl because they may have great ability at certain things that just don’t matter in the nfl — like being a great fundraiser, convincing the administration of resources you need, convincing high school kids to come to your school, etc.

Conversely, Coach Shaw’s well-known acumen evaluating nfl talent isn’t something that necessarily helped in college. And his calm demeanor may hurt the energy level and motivation of kids, but it could help older, multimillionaire professionals play their best.

And last, there just aren’t enough coaches with a high possible ceiling. It’s worth taking a gamble on an unknown with an unknown ceiling in the nfl than a known coach with a known, limiting ceiling. In the nfl, what’s the worst that could happen? You’re not necessarily stuck with multiyear contract penalties like in college. All your guys can’t transfer out like in college. Why not take a gamble? Again, it is a very, very different game.

I find many of the comments hurled at David Shaw to be mean-spirited, unjustified and frankly not based on the facts when it comes to the differences between college and pro football.

RE: Whoa! - gailtate - 01-23-2023

(01-22-2023, 10:36 AM)winflop Wrote: Time to stop dwelling on the past. I wish Shaw nothing but success in the future. I am skeptical that he's a good hire but the people making these decisions are light years more knowledgeable about football than I will ever be.

“The past is never dead. It's not even past.”
― William Faulkner, Requiem for a Nun

RE: Whoa! - TonyLima - 01-23-2023

(01-21-2023, 11:21 AM)Bampa Wrote: If I were him, I'd count my money and then go fly fishing! (or whatever fills your heart with joy)

I, for one, have never understood why anyone would want to catch flies. But maybe that’s just me.

RE: Whoa! - Farm93 - 01-24-2023

Shaw has quite a few players, especially on the offensive side of the ball, that are doing well in the NFL.
The NFL for all of Shaw's era have mentioned that Stanford players are some of the most NFL ready.
It is not that hard for some to conclude that maybe Shaw will do better in the NFL.

In any event.
Not only is he Stanford winningest football coach, he is also an alum and former Stanford football player. So it would seem like every alum should hope shines in the NFL.

As a Stanford alum I certainly hope every alum can succeed in their endeavors. Therefore, I hope Shaw becomes a success in the NFL. Then through his success he helps Stanford attract more NFL obsessed 5-star recruits.

RE: Whoa! - PVTree - 01-24-2023

(01-24-2023, 04:56 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Shaw has quite a few players, especially on the offensive side of the ball, that are doing well in the NFL.
The NFL for all of Shaw's era have mentioned that Stanford players are some of the most NFL ready.
It is not that hard for some to conclude that maybe Shaw will do better in the NFL.

In any event.
Not only is he Stanford winningest football coach, he is also an alum and former Stanford football player. So it would seem like every alum should hope shines in the NFL.

As a Stanford alum I certainly hope every alum can succeed in their endeavors. Therefore, I hope Shaw becomes a success in the NFL. Then through his success he helps Stanford attract more NFL obsessed 5-star recruits.

What Farm93 said.

RE: Whoa! - Bampa - 01-24-2023

(01-23-2023, 06:55 PM)TonyLima Wrote:
(01-21-2023, 11:21 AM)Bampa Wrote: If I were him, I'd count my money and then go fly fishing! (or whatever fills your heart with joy)

I, for one, have never understood why anyone would want to catch flies. But maybe that’s just me.

Well, that was surely a tounge in cheek post...but here is a link:

https://www.nps.gov/articles/fly-fishing.htm

The location where most fly fishing occurs is usually magnificent...a great part of the attraction. Beauty and serenity.