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MBB hosting UCLA - SkiBum80 - 02-07-2024

Anyone left still following MBB?
Seems like the season is teetering on the proverbial edge of the precipice.
On one side, that being the good step in the right direction, a win tonight and again on Sat hosting USC, keeps us in the top realms of PAC 12 standings, where only the handful will likely move on to the Dance.
On the other side of that precipice? .. a fall into one of the torturous levels of Haase's Inferno

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - JJJ - 02-07-2024

Watching and enjoying Elway bantering with Roxy and Don.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - BobK - 02-07-2024

Andrew Luck there. I’m watching Hope but not expecting a win

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - SkiBum80 - 02-07-2024

Ugh, We’ve already given up a career night to one of the UCLA players

leftcoast - Leftcoast - 02-07-2024

At the game.  57-61 with 6:33 to go.  You might be able to see Luck sitting front row on the Stanford end zone/baseline side if the camera pans that way. Looks like he’s having fun.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - Hieronymus - 02-07-2024

What prison or garbage dump did they dig these officials up from.
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Don announcing a nice game though.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - PalmTree - 02-07-2024

That "foul" on S Jones was totally non existent - no contest from our bench?!?!?

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - Card10Fan - 02-07-2024

Some questionable officiating tonight. 
Time for our annual end of season slump/losing streak and Haase will (hopefully) be out the door in just over a month.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - BobK - 02-07-2024

Meanwhile it’s a sellout at cal. Oh what could have should have been

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - old spanish trail - 02-07-2024

(02-07-2024, 09:13 PM)BobK Wrote:  Meanwhile it’s a sellout at cal.  Oh what could have should have been

Yep. Same as it ever was. Just finished the recording. Spencer and others had an off night. Carlyle clearly hurting. Surprised he even played. Maples half full vs UCLA!!! 3 or 4 lonely voices yelling "Let's go Stanford" or "Here we go Stanford, here we go". Elway and Luck are there but unfortunately can't change the result. Meanwhile, on Sports Center a few nights ago is Harrison Ingram excited about leading NC in scoring and beating Duke before a sellout crowd.

Too bad. Somebody on that staff is a great recruiter, maybe Hasse. But, then...? .A starting five of Ingram, Reynaud, S Jones/Angel, Carlyle/Bynum/Gealer would be pretty good. Can't believe Carlyle will stick around, maybe no matter what. He will be falling down the prospect list, just as the pg from Wash (what was his name?) who was better as a frosh than as a sr.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - needle - 02-07-2024

(02-07-2024, 10:10 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:  
(02-07-2024, 09:13 PM)BobK Wrote:  Meanwhile it’s a sellout at cal.  Oh what could have should have been

Yep. Same as it ever was. Just finished the recording. Spencer and others had an off night. Carlyle clearly hurting. Surprised he even played. Maples half full vs UCLA!!! 3 or 4 lonely voices yelling "Let's go Stanford" or "Here we go Stanford, here we go". Elway and Luck are there but unfortunately can't change the result. Meanwhile, on Sports Center a few nights ago is Harrison Ingram excited about leading NC in scoring and beating Duke before a sellout crowd.

Too bad. Somebody on that staff is a great recruiter, maybe Hasse. But, then...? .A starting five of Ingram, Reynaud, S Jones/Angel, Carlyle/Bynum/Gealer would be pretty good. Can't believe Carlyle will stick around, maybe no matter what. He will be falling down the prospect list, just as the pg from Wash (what was his name?) who was better as a frosh than as a sr.

I think you are thinking of Daejon Davis, who transferred to Washington for his final year of eligibility.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - SkiBum80 - 02-07-2024

My summary of tonight’s game:
We Stanfordites continue wandering aimlessly in the vast desert called Insignificance. As we mindlessly follow would-be-leader Jeroditus who instead of a staff carries a jumbled clipboard filled with unintelligible hieroglyphics. He bears a continual scowl and glare of disgust that is mirrored by the dwindling dwellers of the Temple of Maples that roam its echoing emptiness. Oh Avast! Who can deliver this oppressed tribe from its perpetual wandering? Who can deliver it to the shining city called Dance that rests upon the hill? Ah there was one of great promise, one born & bred to our tribe. Whose Mad mettle was forged strong upon the battlefield. But alas he joins not us, but another, the dreaded house of Kal. Leaving us to weep in despair over his assent there as we have naught but to continue our wayward wandering in the abyss.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - old spanish trail - 02-07-2024

(02-07-2024, 10:58 PM)needle Wrote:  
(02-07-2024, 10:10 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:  
(02-07-2024, 09:13 PM)BobK Wrote:  Meanwhile it’s a sellout at cal.  Oh what could have should have been

Yep. Same as it ever was. Just finished the recording. Spencer and others had an off night. Carlyle clearly hurting. Surprised he even played. Maples half full vs UCLA!!! 3 or 4 lonely voices yelling "Let's go Stanford" or "Here we go Stanford, here we go". Elway and Luck are there but unfortunately can't change the result. Meanwhile, on Sports Center a few nights ago is Harrison Ingram excited about leading NC in scoring and beating Duke before a sellout crowd.

Too bad. Somebody on that staff is a great recruiter, maybe Hasse. But, then...? .A starting five of Ingram, Reynaud, S Jones/Angel, Carlyle/Bynum/Gealer would be pretty good. Can't believe Carlyle will stick around, maybe no matter what. He will be falling down the prospect list, just as the pg from Wash (what was his name?) who was better as a frosh than as a sr.

I think you are thinking of Daejon Davis, who transferred to Washington for his final year of eligibility.

Yes, right. I think Hasse told him he could coach him to become an excellent pg. It didn't work. He regressed in many ways.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - Farm93 - 02-08-2024

The Haase pattern is clear. 
January will be better than February.
February will be better than March.

And then, right before the end of the season Muir will declare that NEXT year Haase needs to get into the tournament.  

Sigh...

The ACC has its flaws for our student-athletes, but it is a high profile conference for ambitious basketball coaches.   I have lost hope that Muir will fire Haase, but maybe moving to the ACC will serve as that pattern changing catalyst.  I have to believe more coaching candidates would be interested in spending 3-5 years in the ACC than were interested in 3-5 years in the Pac-12.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - Leftcoast - 02-08-2024

View from Maples Sidelines:

Maples lower bowl was decently full although somewhere near 25% of the fans were wearing UCLA Blue. As others mentioned John Elway (I didn't see him after the half) and Andrew Luck (full game) attended.  Luck sat courtside on the North (?) baseline and was chatting with fellow Stanford basketball football alum Sam Schwartztein through much of the game.  Looked like they were having fun.

First the crowd atmosphere - our Band was VERY small at today's game with no Dollies in attendance.  Not sure why-perhaps they were at a different sporting event?  There were more students attending this conference game than in the pre-season games and they seemed interested in the close game in front of them.  Hold your expectation as this was nowhere near the 6th man's hey-day.  Half time promotions included a shooting competition (funny because the students were shooting toward the basket near the UCLA bench where the team huddle spilled out into the key.  UCLA weren't giving an INCH to the promo game so several staffers tried to keep errant shots from karoming into the huddle), a game of the basketball classic Knock-out with student participants, and a game between the new Stanford living group "Neighborhoods" wearing different T-Shirt colors.  Looks like a new arrangement is in place where students take some classes and seminars within your living group/neighborhood.  Each neighborhood has a tree themed name - Sequoia, Ginko, Redwood, Olive, etc.  Noticeably, ALL promo games involved Students, they had a lively DJ, the normal hype-man, and the arena staff were doing lot's of stuff to cater to the small(ish) group of students in attendance.  I'd say the AD knows they need to turn student involvement around and this is their idea of Stanford having "fun".  Might work.

The ACTUAL game was close throughout with UCLA doing JUST enough to win in the end.  Mick Cronin, UCLA's coach and Paul Giamatti look-alike was frenetic on the side-line as always.  His team  channeled that energy throughout the game and particularly in the final five minutes.   They weren't always doing the right things, they often looked chaotic and borderline out of control, but they did enough to win. Sometimes that energy led to out-of-control driving into a crowd of Stanford players and then flailing around dramatically while looking for the refs, a tactic that worked for them far too often and is the type of college basketball I loathe.  Sometimes it was disrupting the passing lanes, getting tips and deflections, and recovering for your out of position teammate on defense.  The second won the contest for them in a game that was otherwise evenly matched.

As for Stanford. Maxime Raynaud's (20 pts) growth was a revelation.  I haven't attended that many games this season but he progressed dramatically from when I watched him previous years - finishes well underneath, defensively solid, runs the court well, and has the bulk/muscles to more than hold his own against UCLA's big men one-on-one.  As someone else mentioned, Carlyle was hurt and came up flinching and holding his injured arm after contact within three minutes of entering the game about 5 minutes in.  He was in and out after that, usually for no more than 3-4 minutes per appearance.  I was also impressed with Brandon Angel's play (12 points) - Like Raynaud he's come a long way.

Overall, Stanfnord has the players to be doing better in the Pac-12 then their record shows.  We're recruiting decently.  These players have progressed well within the program, and they've physically developed.  Yet, somehow we keep losing very winnable games.

If this flawed UCLA team mirrors their coach I wonder if Stanford does the same?  Are we playing reserved, tactical and observant but lack that fire needed in what another LA team called "Winning Time"?  Something to ponder - The pieces are there to be a top half Pac 12 team but that isn't what we see in the standings.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - JJJ - 02-08-2024

(02-08-2024, 12:00 PM)Leftcoast Wrote:  View from Maples Sidelines:

Maples lower bowl was decently full although somewhere near 25% of the fans were wearing UCLA Blue. As others mentioned John Elway (I didn't see him after the half) and Andrew Luck (full game) attended.  Luck sat courtside on the North (?) baseline and was chatting with fellow Stanford basketball alum Sam Schwartztein through much of the game.  Looked like they were having fun.

First the crowd atmosphere - our Band was VERY small at today's game with no Dollies in attendance.  Not sure why-perhaps they were at a different sporting event?  There were more students attending this conference game than in the pre-season games and they seemed interested in the close game in front of them.  Hold your expectation as this was nowhere near the 6th man's hey-day.  Half time promotions included a shooting competition (funny because the students were shooting toward the basket near the UCLA bench where the team huddle spilled out into the key.  UCLA weren't giving an INCH to the promo game so several staffers tried to keep errant shots from karoming into the huddle), a game of the basketball classic Knock-out with student participants, and a game between the new Stanford living group "Neighborhoods" wearing different T-Shirt colors.  Looks like a new arrangement is in place where students take some classes and seminars within your living group/neighborhood.  Each neighborhood has a tree themed name - Sequoia, Ginko, Redwood, Olive, etc.  Noticeably, ALL promo games involved Students, they had a lively DJ, the normal hype-man, and the arena staff were doing lot's of stuff to cater to the small(ish) group of students in attendance.  I'd say the AD knows they need to turn student involvement around and this is their idea of Stanford having "fun".  Might work.

The ACTUAL game was close throughout with UCLA doing JUST enough to win in the end.  Mick Cronin, UCLA's coach and Paul Giamatti look-alike was frenetic on the side-line as always.  His team  channeled that energy throughout the game and particularly in the final five minutes.   They weren't always doing the right things, they often looked chaotic and borderline out of control, but they did enough to win. Sometimes that energy led to out-of-control driving into a crowd of Stanford players and then flailing around dramatically while looking for the refs, a tactic that worked for them far too often and is the type of college basketball I loathe.  Sometimes it was disrupting the passing lanes, getting tips and deflections, and recovering for your out of position teammate on defense.  The second won the contest for them in a game that was otherwise evenly matched.

As for Stanford. Maxime Raynaud's (20 pts) growth was a revelation.  I haven't attended that many games this season but he progressed dramatically from when I watched him previous years - finishes well underneath, defensively solid, runs the court well, and has the bulk/muscles to more than hold his own against UCLA's big men one-on-one.  As someone else mentioned, Carlyle was hurt and came up flinching and holding his injured arm after contact within three minutes of entering the game about 5 minutes in.  He was in and out after that, usually for no more than 3-4 minutes per appearance.  I was also impressed with Brandon Angel's play (12 points) - Like Raynaud he's come a long way.

Overall, Stanfnord has the players to be doing better in the Pac-12 then their record shows.  We're recruiting decently.  These players have progressed well within the program, and they've physically developed.  Yet, somehow we keep losing very winnable games.

If this flawed UCLA team mirrors their coach I wonder if Stanford does the same?  Are we playing reserved, tactical and observant but lack that fire needed in what another LA team called "Winning Time"?  Something to ponder - The pieces are there to be a top half Pac 12 team but that isn't what we see in the standings.


I don’t know if Roxy Bernstein knew what he was talking about but he said Elway was chatting with Vince Sakowski (baseball teammate aka VSak) along with Luck.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - SkiBum80 - 02-08-2024

(02-08-2024, 12:00 PM)Leftcoast Wrote:  ...  Yet, somehow we keep losing very winnable games...
Thanks for the informative in-person report.
I actually like Coach Haase, seems like a decent and well accomplished guy.
I really like our players, I think they give it 100%, and there's some real talent there.
But like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day, we seems stuck in this pattern, repeating it over and over again ad nauseam.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - MV72018 - 02-10-2024

(02-07-2024, 09:13 PM)BobK Wrote:  Meanwhile it’s a sellout at cal.  Oh what could have should have been


NOT HIRING MADSEN AS SU MEN'S BASKETBALL COACH WAS STUPID, ABSURD, SPINELESS, NON-PROACTIVE, COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, SCANDALOUS, AND PATHETIC. MUIR SHOULD BE SENT PACKING.   

But no one in the SU Admin cares enough to hold Muir accountable. A truly dismal situation. Meanwhile, Cal beats us twice under Mark and their program is gaining momentum and on a positive trajectory, which is a lot more than one can say about ours. Another .500 season, no NCAAs, and a quick exit from the PAC-12 tournament loom. While seemingly a good person, J. Haase doesn't appear to have the coaching skills, either motivational, game-planning, or strategic.

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - BobK - 02-10-2024

Actually the administration is new and seems far more concerned than the previous. Which wasn’t concerned at all

RE: MBB hosting UCLA - Card10Fan - 02-10-2024

(02-10-2024, 04:59 PM)BobK Wrote:  Actually the administration is new and seems far more concerned than the previous.  Which wasn’t concerned at all

Will see what happens next month at this time. No reason Haase should be back for another season. Will Muir finally pull the plug. I've been watching more ACC basketball this year - I think we will be a bottom tier team in that basketball heavy conference without some major changes. It's basketball loaded with great players and great coaches top to bottom.