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A lesson - yvonne - 04-08-2013

for those who expect players to excel based on their genes:

http://blog.sfgate.com/sportsevents/2013/04/08/joe-montanas-son-works-out-at-nfl-combine/#11152-1

A lesson - yvonne - 04-08-2013

for those who expect players to excel based on their genes:

http://blog.sfgate.com/sportsevents/2013/04/08/joe-montanas-son-works-out-at-nfl-combine/#11152-1

Re: A lesson - OutsiderFan - 04-08-2013

Yvonne,

If this is a subtle reference to Barry Sanders, it doesn't apply. 

Neither of Joe Montana's sons were particularly impressive in High School, so it is no surprise they didn't make much of a splash in college.  Barry J. Sanders OTOH, was electric in High School.  He was the #9 rated RB in his class.  Stanford and Alabama both wanted him, in addition to his pop's alma mater, and numerous others. 

Barry Sanders is the most talented RB Stanford has on its roster, but Stanford asks its RBs to do a lot more than simply run with the football, so he has to do more things now than he did as a High School RB, where he made his mark.  If he can get them down, he'll play and be one of the best RBs Stanford has ever had.  But there is no guarantee he will become a great pass blocker and blitz picker upper or that he will be able to take that next step to become a fixture for Stanford for a few seasons.

The Montana kids weren't even that good before they were asked to step up to another level.

Re: A lesson - OutsiderFan - 04-08-2013

Yvonne,

If this is a subtle reference to Barry Sanders, it doesn't apply. 

Neither of Joe Montana's sons were particularly impressive in High School, so it is no surprise they didn't make much of a splash in college.  Barry J. Sanders OTOH, was electric in High School.  He was the #9 rated RB in his class.  Stanford and Alabama both wanted him, in addition to his pop's alma mater, and numerous others. 

Barry Sanders is the most talented RB Stanford has on its roster, but Stanford asks its RBs to do a lot more than simply run with the football, so he has to do more things now than he did as a High School RB, where he made his mark.  If he can get them down, he'll play and be one of the best RBs Stanford has ever had.  But there is no guarantee he will become a great pass blocker and blitz picker upper or that he will be able to take that next step to become a fixture for Stanford for a few seasons.

The Montana kids weren't even that good before they were asked to step up to another level.

Re: A lesson - FarmBoy - 04-08-2013

On the other hand, you have an Andrew Luck, TJ McDonald, Clay Matthews, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning,

I would be curious about the probability of reaching the NFL for the average high school player vs. the child of a former NFL player. It seems like a common story. Either outcome is probably very unlikely, but I wouldn't be surprised if the son of an NFL player is 10x or even 100x more likely to make it to the NFL.

According to one web poster, the overall probability is 0.03% for any high school player (http://www.massdriven.com/forums/showthread.php?3876-Chances-of-You-making-the-NFL(Statistically)). Another site put it at closer to 0.09%

Here's hoping we'll have another (few) "son walks in father's footsteps" stories in the next few years with Sanders and Whitfield (are there others on the team?)

Re: A lesson - FarmBoy - 04-08-2013

On the other hand, you have an Andrew Luck, TJ McDonald, Clay Matthews, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning,

I would be curious about the probability of reaching the NFL for the average high school player vs. the child of a former NFL player. It seems like a common story. Either outcome is probably very unlikely, but I wouldn't be surprised if the son of an NFL player is 10x or even 100x more likely to make it to the NFL.

According to one web poster, the overall probability is 0.03% for any high school player (http://www.massdriven.com/forums/showthread.php?3876-Chances-of-You-making-the-NFL(Statistically)). Another site put it at closer to 0.09%

Here's hoping we'll have another (few) "son walks in father's footsteps" stories in the next few years with Sanders and Whitfield (are there others on the team?)

Re: A lesson - 97fan - 04-08-2013

(04-08-2013, 12:42 PM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Here's hoping we'll have another (few) "son walks in father's footsteps" stories in the next few years with Sanders and Whitfield (are there others on the team?)

Alex Carter, Ed Reynolds, Noor Davis. Maybe more.

Re: A lesson - 97fan - 04-08-2013

(04-08-2013, 12:42 PM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Here's hoping we'll have another (few) "son walks in father's footsteps" stories in the next few years with Sanders and Whitfield (are there others on the team?)

Alex Carter, Ed Reynolds, Noor Davis. Maybe more.

Re: A lesson - OutsiderFan - 04-08-2013

Kodi Whitfield, Ed Reynolds, Alex Carter,  Andrus Peat, Ricky Seale, Barry Sanders, Josh Garnett, and Nick Davidson.  Noor Davis' Uncle is NFL HOF Andre Tippet.

I might be missing a guy or two, but all these guys have fathers who played in the NFL.

Stanford will be a good test case to see if NFL father DNA translates to higher chances to make the NFL.

Re: A lesson - OutsiderFan - 04-08-2013

Kodi Whitfield, Ed Reynolds, Alex Carter,  Andrus Peat, Ricky Seale, Barry Sanders, Josh Garnett, and Nick Davidson.  Noor Davis' Uncle is NFL HOF Andre Tippet.

I might be missing a guy or two, but all these guys have fathers who played in the NFL.

Stanford will be a good test case to see if NFL father DNA translates to higher chances to make the NFL.

Re: A lesson - FarmBoy - 04-08-2013

Wow. So 9.4% of the team (8 of 85 scholarships) are NFL legacy. That speaks to a brobdingnagian advantage over non-legacy athletes to play college football. NFL legacy children may account for up to 0.01% of college age kids (a total guess, bu probably very liberal.) I'm sure Stanford is not representative, but even if the average school has 3-5% of players from NFL legacy, that is a 300-500X increase in probability of playing college football if your dad played in the NFL.

Re: A lesson - FarmBoy - 04-08-2013

Wow. So 9.4% of the team (8 of 85 scholarships) are NFL legacy. That speaks to a brobdingnagian advantage over non-legacy athletes to play college football. NFL legacy children may account for up to 0.01% of college age kids (a total guess, bu probably very liberal.) I'm sure Stanford is not representative, but even if the average school has 3-5% of players from NFL legacy, that is a 300-500X increase in probability of playing college football if your dad played in the NFL.

Re: A lesson - 97fan - 04-08-2013

I'm sure that having an NFL legacy dad is hugely predictive of making to the NFL, in comparison to all HS football players. From my high school, two kids in the last 20 years have made it to the NFL. Both of their dads also played in the league.

Re: A lesson - 97fan - 04-08-2013

I'm sure that having an NFL legacy dad is hugely predictive of making to the NFL, in comparison to all HS football players. From my high school, two kids in the last 20 years have made it to the NFL. Both of their dads also played in the league.

Re: A lesson - Bruce Wang - 04-08-2013

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2012/09/18/football-sons-of-nfl-players-dont-fall-far-from-the-tree/

Posted here before.  Perhaps some of you missed this.  Let's hope Stanford adds Easy Ed McCaffrey's son to this list.  Anybody know if any of the other 2014 recruits are sons of NFL players?  Seems that Stanford has a competitive advantage here.

Re: A lesson - Bruce Wang - 04-08-2013

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2012/09/18/football-sons-of-nfl-players-dont-fall-far-from-the-tree/

Posted here before.  Perhaps some of you missed this.  Let's hope Stanford adds Easy Ed McCaffrey's son to this list.  Anybody know if any of the other 2014 recruits are sons of NFL players?  Seems that Stanford has a competitive advantage here.

Re: A lesson - yvonne - 04-08-2013

(04-08-2013, 12:33 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Barry Sanders is the most talented RB Stanford has on its roster, but Stanford asks its RBs to do a lot more than simply run with the football, so he has to do more things now than he did as a High School RB, where he made his mark.  If he can get them down, he'll play and be one of the best RBs Stanford has ever had.  But there is no guarantee he will become a great pass blocker and blitz picker upper or that he will be able to take that next step to become a fixture for Stanford for a few seasons.

That's pretty much how I feel too, except that I'm not sure he's the most talented back we have. Young always wows me when he gets the ball. The caveat was for a few folks here who have pretty much anointed Sanders the current top running back, or the running back who'll emerge as the top by the end of the season. Some people even penned him in as the answer to our lack of proven receivers. He's a redshirt freshman. He'll get his chance, but it will be the same chance guys without famous names will get.

Re: A lesson - yvonne - 04-08-2013

(04-08-2013, 12:33 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Barry Sanders is the most talented RB Stanford has on its roster, but Stanford asks its RBs to do a lot more than simply run with the football, so he has to do more things now than he did as a High School RB, where he made his mark.  If he can get them down, he'll play and be one of the best RBs Stanford has ever had.  But there is no guarantee he will become a great pass blocker and blitz picker upper or that he will be able to take that next step to become a fixture for Stanford for a few seasons.

That's pretty much how I feel too, except that I'm not sure he's the most talented back we have. Young always wows me when he gets the ball. The caveat was for a few folks here who have pretty much anointed Sanders the current top running back, or the running back who'll emerge as the top by the end of the season. Some people even penned him in as the answer to our lack of proven receivers. He's a redshirt freshman. He'll get his chance, but it will be the same chance guys without famous names will get.

Just in case Sanders doesn't work out, I second Publius - Redrum - 04-10-2013

Christian McCaffrey is the kid I want most of all in this class.  And, yes, it's mainly because I'm a sentimental old fool.  But not totally out of my mind.  Easy Ed McCaffrey makes it onto my Stanford All-Time starting offense.  Which means,  I know,  leaving some really good Stanford WRs on the sideline.  But Eddie McCaffrey had what Harbaugh loves, Shaw and staff loves, and is supposedly the leitmotif in all our recruiting:  he was a ball player.  Had the instincts.  Had the height and athleticism, too...but what separated him from others and gave him such a long career w/ Denver Broncos was his instinct for the game.  He was a disciplined and outstanding blocker on downfield plays.  Just somehow knew how to get separation.  Loved contact.  Made the tough, go-to catches.

OK, enough praise for Ed.  My theory is that unlike true QB talent,  the instinct for the game can be passed on because it is a mix of nature and nurture.  I've linked one story below, but there are others that talk about the same things: Christian's competitiveness, his nose for the ball, his drive.  His team is successful, but as an individual he would be successful regardless of how good the team around him is.  If he's got Easy Ed's nurture as well as nature-- and his HS career certainly points to that-- I want him lining up for us.

http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_22536205/christian-mccaffrey-clearly-colorados-top-recruit-class-2014

As an aside: Being the best football player in Colorado isn't automatically high praise.  Colorado is about on par with Utah in the quality of  HS players it produces.  Take a look at the Univ. of Colorado roster and match origins against the (few) playmakers the Buffs have.  Makes you wonder what Mike MacIntyre was thinking when he dumped San Jose for the Buffs.  It got harder, not easier at the name school.

Just in case Sanders doesn't work out, I second Publius - Redrum - 04-10-2013

Christian McCaffrey is the kid I want most of all in this class.  And, yes, it's mainly because I'm a sentimental old fool.  But not totally out of my mind.  Easy Ed McCaffrey makes it onto my Stanford All-Time starting offense.  Which means,  I know,  leaving some really good Stanford WRs on the sideline.  But Eddie McCaffrey had what Harbaugh loves, Shaw and staff loves, and is supposedly the leitmotif in all our recruiting:  he was a ball player.  Had the instincts.  Had the height and athleticism, too...but what separated him from others and gave him such a long career w/ Denver Broncos was his instinct for the game.  He was a disciplined and outstanding blocker on downfield plays.  Just somehow knew how to get separation.  Loved contact.  Made the tough, go-to catches.

OK, enough praise for Ed.  My theory is that unlike true QB talent,  the instinct for the game can be passed on because it is a mix of nature and nurture.  I've linked one story below, but there are others that talk about the same things: Christian's competitiveness, his nose for the ball, his drive.  His team is successful, but as an individual he would be successful regardless of how good the team around him is.  If he's got Easy Ed's nurture as well as nature-- and his HS career certainly points to that-- I want him lining up for us.

http://www.denverpost.com/preps/ci_22536205/christian-mccaffrey-clearly-colorados-top-recruit-class-2014

As an aside: Being the best football player in Colorado isn't automatically high praise.  Colorado is about on par with Utah in the quality of  HS players it produces.  Take a look at the Univ. of Colorado roster and match origins against the (few) playmakers the Buffs have.  Makes you wonder what Mike MacIntyre was thinking when he dumped San Jose for the Buffs.  It got harder, not easier at the name school.