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I'd add Roman to that list as well (not that I believe Shaw is going anywhere).

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I'd add Roman to that list as well (not that I believe Shaw is going anywhere).

[washingtonismoney]

Now while I can't see Shaw leaving for the 49ers, there have also been some rumors about the Broncos. Now, I don't think he's leaving for Denver either, but it's at least within the realm of possibility.

[washingtonismoney]

Now while I can't see Shaw leaving for the 49ers, there have also been some rumors about the Broncos. Now, I don't think he's leaving for Denver either, but it's at least within the realm of possibility.

[DC 86]

Now while I can't see Shaw leaving for the 49ers, there have also been some rumors about the Broncos. Now, I don't think he's leaving for Denver either, but it's at least within the realm of possibility.

As I wrote above, Denver is an unusual situation in that it is a highly desirable job which opened up due to non-football related reasons. I also don't think that Shaw will leave, but Denver is a reasonable opportunity whereas SF, LA, Jacksonville, Buffalo etc are impossibilities in my mind based on what we know about Shaw.

[DC 86]

Now while I can't see Shaw leaving for the 49ers, there have also been some rumors about the Broncos. Now, I don't think he's leaving for Denver either, but it's at least within the realm of possibility.

As I wrote above, Denver is an unusual situation in that it is a highly desirable job which opened up due to non-football related reasons. I also don't think that Shaw will leave, but Denver is a reasonable opportunity whereas SF, LA, Jacksonville, Buffalo etc are impossibilities in my mind based on what we know about Shaw.

[OutsiderFan]

It sure seems there would be no way Shaw - who has a passion for college football - is going to leave right as he's about to sign perhaps the best QB and OT tandem coming out of high school in the same recruiting class, maybe ever?

[OutsiderFan]

It sure seems there would be no way Shaw - who has a passion for college football - is going to leave right as he's about to sign perhaps the best QB and OT tandem coming out of high school in the same recruiting class, maybe ever?

[BostonCard]

Pretty sure Shaw is on record as saying he didn't want to move until his kids were out of school.  So, what grades are they in?

BC

[BostonCard]

Pretty sure Shaw is on record as saying he didn't want to move until his kids were out of school.  So, what grades are they in?

BC

[DC 86]

Pretty sure Shaw is on record as saying he didn't want to move until his kids were out of school.  So, what grades are they in?

BC

If that is a firm decision on his part then this topic is moot for a while; his oldest child is 13 or 14.

I think everyone believes that Shaw will be here for a while, was just positing that the Denver job is different from all the other (undesirable) ones that Shaw has been linked to over the years.

[DC 86]

Pretty sure Shaw is on record as saying he didn't want to move until his kids were out of school.  So, what grades are they in?

BC

If that is a firm decision on his part then this topic is moot for a while; his oldest child is 13 or 14.

I think everyone believes that Shaw will be here for a while, was just positing that the Denver job is different from all the other (undesirable) ones that Shaw has been linked to over the years.

[BostonCard]

The big question is how old the youngest is.

BC

[BostonCard]

The big question is how old the youngest is.

BC

[DC 86]

The big question is how old the youngest is.

BC

You are correct.

Youngest is 7, so at least a decade more!

[DC 86]

The big question is how old the youngest is.

BC

You are correct.

Youngest is 7, so at least a decade more!

[CTcard]

names that would make sense as candidates would be ... Gary Andersen, ...

Given that, reportedly, one of the main thing that drove Andersen away from Wisconsin was that academic standards were too high - it would seem unlikely there would be any mutual interest between him and Stanford.

[CTcard]

names that would make sense as candidates would be ... Gary Andersen, ...

Given that, reportedly, one of the main thing that drove Andersen away from Wisconsin was that academic standards were too high - it would seem unlikely there would be any mutual interest between him and Stanford.

[DC 86]

[quote author=DC 86 link=topic=16144.msg184940#msg184940 date=1483469251]
names that would make sense as candidates would be ... Gary Andersen, ...

Given that, reportedly, one of the main thing that drove Andersen away from Wisconsin was that academic standards were too high - it would seem unlikely there would be any mutual interest between him and Stanford.
[/quote]
OK, scratch him.

[DC 86]

[quote author=DC 86 link=topic=16144.msg184940#msg184940 date=1483469251]
names that would make sense as candidates would be ... Gary Andersen, ...

Given that, reportedly, one of the main thing that drove Andersen away from Wisconsin was that academic standards were too high - it would seem unlikely there would be any mutual interest between him and Stanford.
[/quote]
OK, scratch him.

[washingtonismoney]

I'm not sure we cited the Peter King interview he did with Shaw, (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/27/themm...n-stanford) but my thinking has evolved on the will-Shaw-leave subject. The quote about his youngest leaving Stanford is from the very beginning of his tenure. While he's still enthusiastic about Stanford, he's been less emphatic and specific about it than before.

In particular, after listening to the interview -- Shaw mentions something like "if I go, it'll be with eyes wide open" -- I think he will leave. Not imminently, but perhaps in the medium-term. I could see him going, say, five years from now or for the right opportunity. So if a Denver or comparable team were to offer him the job, I wouldn't be shocked if he left. Not for San Francisco though. 

[washingtonismoney]

I'm not sure we cited the Peter King interview he did with Shaw, (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/27/themm...n-stanford) but my thinking has evolved on the will-Shaw-leave subject. The quote about his youngest leaving Stanford is from the very beginning of his tenure. While he's still enthusiastic about Stanford, he's been less emphatic and specific about it than before.

In particular, after listening to the interview -- Shaw mentions something like "if I go, it'll be with eyes wide open" -- I think he will leave. Not imminently, but perhaps in the medium-term. I could see him going, say, five years from now or for the right opportunity. So if a Denver or comparable team were to offer him the job, I wouldn't be shocked if he left. Not for San Francisco though. 

[Mick]

I'm not sure we cited the Peter King interview he did with Shaw, (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/27/themm...n-stanford) but my thinking has evolved on the will-Shaw-leave subject. The quote about his youngest leaving Stanford is from the very beginning of his tenure. While he's still enthusiastic about Stanford, he's been less emphatic and specific about it than before.

In particular, after listening to the interview -- Shaw mentions something like "if I go, it'll be with eyes wide open" -- I think he will leave. Not imminently, but perhaps in the medium-term. I could see him going, say, five years from now or for the right opportunity. So if a Denver or comparable team were to offer him the job, I wouldn't be shocked if he left. Not for San Francisco though.

A flashpoint may be whether or not his children are admitted to Stanford.  That seems to indicate sticking points with Stanford athletes.

[Mick]

I'm not sure we cited the Peter King interview he did with Shaw, (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/27/themm...n-stanford) but my thinking has evolved on the will-Shaw-leave subject. The quote about his youngest leaving Stanford is from the very beginning of his tenure. While he's still enthusiastic about Stanford, he's been less emphatic and specific about it than before.

In particular, after listening to the interview -- Shaw mentions something like "if I go, it'll be with eyes wide open" -- I think he will leave. Not imminently, but perhaps in the medium-term. I could see him going, say, five years from now or for the right opportunity. So if a Denver or comparable team were to offer him the job, I wouldn't be shocked if he left. Not for San Francisco though.

A flashpoint may be whether or not his children are admitted to Stanford.  That seems to indicate sticking points with Stanford athletes.

[fullmetal]

Also, don't children of Stanford employees also get tuition breaks? 

[fullmetal]

Also, don't children of Stanford employees also get tuition breaks? 

[BostonCard]

Yes, but the tuition break is not necessarily for Stanford.  It amounts to 50% of Stanford tuition, regardless of where the child enrolls (I believe it used to be 100% of Stanford tuition, but only if the child enrolled at Stanford).  As expensive as college tuition has gotten, the benefit still only amounts to ~1% of Shaw's salary per year or so.

BC

[BostonCard]

Yes, but the tuition break is not necessarily for Stanford.  It amounts to 50% of Stanford tuition, regardless of where the child enrolls (I believe it used to be 100% of Stanford tuition, but only if the child enrolled at Stanford).  As expensive as college tuition has gotten, the benefit still only amounts to ~1% of Shaw's salary per year or so.

BC

[Nan3cy]

Yes, but the tuition break is not necessarily for Stanford.  It amounts to 50% of Stanford tuition, regardless of where the child enrolls (I believe it used to be 100% of Stanford tuition, but only if the child enrolled at Stanford).  As expensive as college tuition has gotten, the benefit still only amounts to ~1% of Shaw's salary per year or so.

BC

You are correct, BC, until the early 70s the tuition benefit was 100% but only at Stanford. At the time the change was made, eligible employees were allowed to keep the 100% benefit, but they had to choose it right then, and could not be change their choice if their child(ren) could not gain admission. (Or wanted to go somewhere else -- can you imagine being a 17-year-old and telling your parents you wanted to go to an Ivy when you could go to Stanford for free?)

There was one professor, of whom I will always be in awe, who picked the 100% option in 1970 for a child who was not born until much later in the decade. The child graduated from Stanford in the 90s.That's confidence (maybe arrogance, but when you can back it up...).

[Nan3cy]

Yes, but the tuition break is not necessarily for Stanford.  It amounts to 50% of Stanford tuition, regardless of where the child enrolls (I believe it used to be 100% of Stanford tuition, but only if the child enrolled at Stanford).  As expensive as college tuition has gotten, the benefit still only amounts to ~1% of Shaw's salary per year or so.

BC

You are correct, BC, until the early 70s the tuition benefit was 100% but only at Stanford. At the time the change was made, eligible employees were allowed to keep the 100% benefit, but they had to choose it right then, and could not be change their choice if their child(ren) could not gain admission. (Or wanted to go somewhere else -- can you imagine being a 17-year-old and telling your parents you wanted to go to an Ivy when you could go to Stanford for free?)

There was one professor, of whom I will always be in awe, who picked the 100% option in 1970 for a child who was not born until much later in the decade. The child graduated from Stanford in the 90s.That's confidence (maybe arrogance, but when you can back it up...).

[ChicagoCard]

"I won't be up here freezing my ass off, so y'all enjoy the winter"...

Tracy Claeys after being fired as U of Minn head coach today :D.

https://twitter.com/BillLunnKSTP/status/...8049760257

[ChicagoCard]

"I won't be up here freezing my ass off, so y'all enjoy the winter"...

Tracy Claeys after being fired as U of Minn head coach today :D.

https://twitter.com/BillLunnKSTP/status/...8049760257

[stupac2]

I'm not sure we cited the Peter King interview he did with Shaw, (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/27/themm...n-stanford) but my thinking has evolved on the will-Shaw-leave subject. The quote about his youngest leaving Stanford is from the very beginning of his tenure. While he's still enthusiastic about Stanford, he's been less emphatic and specific about it than before.

In particular, after listening to the interview -- Shaw mentions something like "if I go, it'll be with eyes wide open" -- I think he will leave. Not imminently, but perhaps in the medium-term. I could see him going, say, five years from now or for the right opportunity. So if a Denver or comparable team were to offer him the job, I wouldn't be shocked if he left. Not for San Francisco though.

I believe I linked that but it didn't get much traction. These discussion always have a bit of a Kremlinology aspect to them, who knows how he actually feels? But you're definitely right that, based on what we know, it's pretty unlikely that he'd go anywhere like SF of Jacksonville, but Denver is worrying. Do Shaw and Elway know each other at all?

[stupac2]

I'm not sure we cited the Peter King interview he did with Shaw, (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/27/themm...n-stanford) but my thinking has evolved on the will-Shaw-leave subject. The quote about his youngest leaving Stanford is from the very beginning of his tenure. While he's still enthusiastic about Stanford, he's been less emphatic and specific about it than before.

In particular, after listening to the interview -- Shaw mentions something like "if I go, it'll be with eyes wide open" -- I think he will leave. Not imminently, but perhaps in the medium-term. I could see him going, say, five years from now or for the right opportunity. So if a Denver or comparable team were to offer him the job, I wouldn't be shocked if he left. Not for San Francisco though.

I believe I linked that but it didn't get much traction. These discussion always have a bit of a Kremlinology aspect to them, who knows how he actually feels? But you're definitely right that, based on what we know, it's pretty unlikely that he'd go anywhere like SF of Jacksonville, but Denver is worrying. Do Shaw and Elway know each other at all?

[washingtonismoney]

I believe I linked that but it didn't get much traction. These discussion always have a bit of a Kremlinology aspect to them, who knows how he actually feels? But you're definitely right that, based on what we know, it's pretty unlikely that he'd go anywhere like SF of Jacksonville, but Denver is worrying. Do Shaw and Elway know each other at all?

Yeah, definitely Kremlinology.

Elway has come by to scout, and obviously had his jersey number retired in the 2013 Oregon-Stanford game. IIRC contemporaneous reporting made it seem like Shaw drove the retirement decision,* so I imagine they have a reasonably warm relationship.

*(which, for the record, I still somewhat disagree with. Toby should've been honored as well.)

[washingtonismoney]

I believe I linked that but it didn't get much traction. These discussion always have a bit of a Kremlinology aspect to them, who knows how he actually feels? But you're definitely right that, based on what we know, it's pretty unlikely that he'd go anywhere like SF of Jacksonville, but Denver is worrying. Do Shaw and Elway know each other at all?

Yeah, definitely Kremlinology.

Elway has come by to scout, and obviously had his jersey number retired in the 2013 Oregon-Stanford game. IIRC contemporaneous reporting made it seem like Shaw drove the retirement decision,* so I imagine they have a reasonably warm relationship.

*(which, for the record, I still somewhat disagree with. Toby should've been honored as well.)

[OutsiderFan]

#1 and #7 are two of the most sought after numbers for college football players.  Now Stanford offers neither.  I doubt anyone makes their decision to attend a school based on the number they can wear, but it might be an influence at the outer margins, as part of a matrix decision or tie breaking exercise.

Ty Montgomery and Aziz Shittu also were good players who wore #7.  Were there any others of note beyond them, Elway and Gerhart?

[OutsiderFan]

#1 and #7 are two of the most sought after numbers for college football players.  Now Stanford offers neither.  I doubt anyone makes their decision to attend a school based on the number they can wear, but it might be an influence at the outer margins, as part of a matrix decision or tie breaking exercise.

Ty Montgomery and Aziz Shittu also were good players who wore #7.  Were there any others of note beyond them, Elway and Gerhart?

[DC 86]

I doubt anyone makes their decision to attend a school based on the number they can wear, but it might be an influence at the outer margins, as part of a matrix decision or tie breaking exercise.

There are actually a number of cases where players have made their decision based on number availability; and in some cases colleges have temporarily un-retired numbers as a condition of players accepting their offer. However, I believe (and certainly hope) that prospective Stanford student-athletes don't put weight on number availability.

[DC 86]

I doubt anyone makes their decision to attend a school based on the number they can wear, but it might be an influence at the outer margins, as part of a matrix decision or tie breaking exercise.

There are actually a number of cases where players have made their decision based on number availability; and in some cases colleges have temporarily un-retired numbers as a condition of players accepting their offer. However, I believe (and certainly hope) that prospective Stanford student-athletes don't put weight on number availability.