[TreeFitty]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/a...38285.html

Both hit above the unofficial minimum for QB's of 21, as expected.

[TreeFitty]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/a...38285.html

Both hit above the unofficial minimum for QB's of 21, as expected.

[76lsjumb]

Interesting quote from the article:

Couch and Leaf were abject failures, Mirer never really made it and Plunkett's career was careening toward oblivion before he righted the ship and won two Super Bowl rings with the Raiders in his mid-30s.

Yeah, other than those two Super Bowl things, the guy was a bust...  ???

IIRC, Plunkett was ROY behind an O-line with the Patriots that , in its entirety [and with the second-string thrown in for good measure] probably was slightly less effective than David DeCastro would be if you tied his arms and legs together and blindfolded him.  Forget about oblivion, Plunkett had to spend a few years "careening for his life..."

I hope Andrew isn't forced to do the same.  I imagine it's a little harder to cattouse people in the NFL...

[76lsjumb]

Interesting quote from the article:

Couch and Leaf were abject failures, Mirer never really made it and Plunkett's career was careening toward oblivion before he righted the ship and won two Super Bowl rings with the Raiders in his mid-30s.

Yeah, other than those two Super Bowl things, the guy was a bust...  ???

IIRC, Plunkett was ROY behind an O-line with the Patriots that , in its entirety [and with the second-string thrown in for good measure] probably was slightly less effective than David DeCastro would be if you tied his arms and legs together and blindfolded him.  Forget about oblivion, Plunkett had to spend a few years "careening for his life..."

I hope Andrew isn't forced to do the same.  I imagine it's a little harder to cattouse people in the NFL...

[pincemob]

Whoa, that is a pretty big disparity.  You never know how seriously each guy took the test, and very hard to draw any conclusions based on a 50 question test.  With that said, RG3 seemed to take every competition very seriously and I can't imagine him tanking his Wonderlic.  Below is how the Wonderlic maps to other professions, per Wikipedia.  The average football player is around 20. 

Systems Analyst - 32
Chemist – 31
Electrical Engineer - 30
Engineer - 29
Programmer – 29
Accountant - 28
Executive - 28
Reporter - 28
Teacher - 28
Copywriter - 27
Investment Analyst - 27
Librarian - 27
Electronics technician - 26
Salesperson – 25
Secretary - 24
Dispatcher - 23
Drafter - 23
Electrician - 23
Nurse - 23
Bank teller – 22
Cashier - 21
Firefighter - 21
General Clerical worker – 21
Machinist - 21
Receptionist - 21
Train Conductor - 21
Skilled Craftsman - 18
Security guard – 17
Welder - 17
Warehouseman – 15



 

[pincemob]

Whoa, that is a pretty big disparity.  You never know how seriously each guy took the test, and very hard to draw any conclusions based on a 50 question test.  With that said, RG3 seemed to take every competition very seriously and I can't imagine him tanking his Wonderlic.  Below is how the Wonderlic maps to other professions, per Wikipedia.  The average football player is around 20. 

Systems Analyst - 32
Chemist – 31
Electrical Engineer - 30
Engineer - 29
Programmer – 29
Accountant - 28
Executive - 28
Reporter - 28
Teacher - 28
Copywriter - 27
Investment Analyst - 27
Librarian - 27
Electronics technician - 26
Salesperson – 25
Secretary - 24
Dispatcher - 23
Drafter - 23
Electrician - 23
Nurse - 23
Bank teller – 22
Cashier - 21
Firefighter - 21
General Clerical worker – 21
Machinist - 21
Receptionist - 21
Train Conductor - 21
Skilled Craftsman - 18
Security guard – 17
Welder - 17
Warehouseman – 15



 

[Griffins78]

What does 37 map to?

[Griffins78]

What does 37 map to?

[76lsjumb]

What does 37 map to?

Two-time Voldemort Trophy Runner-up, apparently... ;)

[76lsjumb]

What does 37 map to?

Two-time Voldemort Trophy Runner-up, apparently... ;)

[CowboyIndian]

So he's not only a horse's ass, but a bag of academic hot air, too. Good to know.

[CowboyIndian]

So he's not only a horse's ass, but a bag of academic hot air, too. Good to know.

[fullmetal]

a systems analyst rates higher than an electrical engineer?  what? 

[fullmetal]

a systems analyst rates higher than an electrical engineer?  what? 

[CowboyIndian]

Plunkett's other problem with the Pats...besides a porous OL...was his coach, former Oklahoma head man Chuck Fairbanks, who tried to institute the QB option in the pros with one of the greatest pocket passers of all time. Jim paid for that experiment and he's still paying today.

[CowboyIndian]

Plunkett's other problem with the Pats...besides a porous OL...was his coach, former Oklahoma head man Chuck Fairbanks, who tried to institute the QB option in the pros with one of the greatest pocket passers of all time. Jim paid for that experiment and he's still paying today.

[akiddoc]

RG III was heavily recruited by Stanford and was considered a shoo-in for admission. I wouldn't be too hard on him.

[akiddoc]

RG III was heavily recruited by Stanford and was considered a shoo-in for admission. I wouldn't be too hard on him.

[CowboyIndian]

RG III was heavily recruited by Stanford and was considered a shoe-in for admission. I wouldn't be too hard on him.

You wouldn't....I would. Makes the world go 'round.

[CowboyIndian]

RG III was heavily recruited by Stanford and was considered a shoe-in for admission. I wouldn't be too hard on him.

You wouldn't....I would. Makes the world go 'round.

[FarmBoy]

So he's not only a horse's ass, but a bag of academic hot air, too. Good to know.

I just don't see how you get Griffin's (unofficially reported) Wonderlic score of 24 = "bag of academic hot air". Where has the connection been made between Wonderlic and academics? My understanding of the Wonderlic is that it tests one's ability quickly process and analyze information. It doesn't test how hard you study or the knowledge you've gained over a lifetime of study. RGIII is a poli sci major, for god's sakes. How many poli scie questions do you think are on the Wonderlic?

I strongly suspect that Andrew Luck is the smarter of the two, both academically and native intelligence, but this score says nothing about RGIII's academic credentials. In fact, he's succeeded despite not have a brain that inherently processes and organizes data as quickly as Luck's (assuming these reported scores are accurate.)

[FarmBoy]

So he's not only a horse's ass, but a bag of academic hot air, too. Good to know.

I just don't see how you get Griffin's (unofficially reported) Wonderlic score of 24 = "bag of academic hot air". Where has the connection been made between Wonderlic and academics? My understanding of the Wonderlic is that it tests one's ability quickly process and analyze information. It doesn't test how hard you study or the knowledge you've gained over a lifetime of study. RGIII is a poli sci major, for god's sakes. How many poli scie questions do you think are on the Wonderlic?

I strongly suspect that Andrew Luck is the smarter of the two, both academically and native intelligence, but this score says nothing about RGIII's academic credentials. In fact, he's succeeded despite not have a brain that inherently processes and organizes data as quickly as Luck's (assuming these reported scores are accurate.)

[CowboyIndian]

Guess it's gotta be the socks, then.

[CowboyIndian]

Guess it's gotta be the socks, then.

[michael]

Heres some W scores for current QB's in NFL...(notice A. Rodgers, Mannings, Rivers, etc.)


Wonderlic scores for the NFL's starting quarterbacks:

1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48

2. Alex Smith 40

3. Eli Manning 39

4. Matt Stafford 38

5. Tony Romo 37

6. Aaron Rodgers 37

6. Matt Leinart 33

8. Philip Rivers 33

9. Matt Ryan 32

10. Matt Schaub 32

11. Tom Brady 32

12. Matt Hasselbeck 29

12. Marc Bulger 29

12. Brady Quinn 29

15. Mark Sanchez 28

15. Peyton Manning 28

15. Drew Brees 28

18. Josh Freeman 27

18. Joe Flacco 27

20. Carson Palmer 26

20. Jay Cutler 26

20. Kyle Orton 26

23. Ben Roethlisberger 25

24. Jason Campbell 23

25. Brett Favre 22

25. Tim Tebow 22

25. Chad Henne 22

28. Bruce Gradkowski 19

29. Vince Young 15

30. Donovan McNabb 14

30. David Garrard 14

Unknown: Matt Cassel, Matt Moore

Top quarterback prospects in 2010 NFL draft

Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36

Colt McCoy, Texas 25

Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame 23

Tebow 22

Other Wonderlic scores of note:

Brian Griese 39

Drew Bledsoe 36

Steve Young 33

John Elway 29

Chad Pennington 25

JaMarcus Russell 14

Mark Brunell 22

Trent Dilfer 22

Michael Vick 20

Daunte Culpepper 18

Dan Marino 15

Randall Cunningham 15

Jim Kelly 15

Terry Bradshaw 15

Chris Leak 8

[michael]

Heres some W scores for current QB's in NFL...(notice A. Rodgers, Mannings, Rivers, etc.)


Wonderlic scores for the NFL's starting quarterbacks:

1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48

2. Alex Smith 40

3. Eli Manning 39

4. Matt Stafford 38

5. Tony Romo 37

6. Aaron Rodgers 37

6. Matt Leinart 33

8. Philip Rivers 33

9. Matt Ryan 32

10. Matt Schaub 32

11. Tom Brady 32

12. Matt Hasselbeck 29

12. Marc Bulger 29

12. Brady Quinn 29

15. Mark Sanchez 28

15. Peyton Manning 28

15. Drew Brees 28

18. Josh Freeman 27

18. Joe Flacco 27

20. Carson Palmer 26

20. Jay Cutler 26

20. Kyle Orton 26

23. Ben Roethlisberger 25

24. Jason Campbell 23

25. Brett Favre 22

25. Tim Tebow 22

25. Chad Henne 22

28. Bruce Gradkowski 19

29. Vince Young 15

30. Donovan McNabb 14

30. David Garrard 14

Unknown: Matt Cassel, Matt Moore

Top quarterback prospects in 2010 NFL draft

Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36

Colt McCoy, Texas 25

Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame 23

Tebow 22

Other Wonderlic scores of note:

Brian Griese 39

Drew Bledsoe 36

Steve Young 33

John Elway 29

Chad Pennington 25

JaMarcus Russell 14

Mark Brunell 22

Trent Dilfer 22

Michael Vick 20

Daunte Culpepper 18

Dan Marino 15

Randall Cunningham 15

Jim Kelly 15

Terry Bradshaw 15

Chris Leak 8

[washingtonismoney]

Looks like "no correlation" is the most likely answer to "how much to Wonderlic scores matter in predicting QB performance?"

[washingtonismoney]

Looks like "no correlation" is the most likely answer to "how much to Wonderlic scores matter in predicting QB performance?"

[LuckE2Bhere]

but a regression that reasonably adjusted for other factors could be interesting -- i.e., if a QB had incredible talents, but a lower Wonderlic score, and proved to be a mediocre NFL QB, it might still justify the significance of the indicator. 

[LuckE2Bhere]

but a regression that reasonably adjusted for other factors could be interesting -- i.e., if a QB had incredible talents, but a lower Wonderlic score, and proved to be a mediocre NFL QB, it might still justify the significance of the indicator. 

[Redrum]

RGIII would kick my ass. 

[Redrum]

RGIII would kick my ass. 

[CowboyIndian]

RGIII would kick my ass.

Then he'd tell you all about it.

[CowboyIndian]

RGIII would kick my ass.

Then he'd tell you all about it.

[readarmy1976]

If you mention that Andrew Luck is better than RG3 at something, you are a racist biased against black quarterbacks! DO NOT talk about Luck's longer broad jump at 20 pounds heavier or Lucks much higher wonderlick score. Shhhhh!!! Also, do not mention that luck is bigger and stronger. Remember, in this draft, there are really two first picks, Luck and RG3. Don't be a racist. Thanks. :)

[readarmy1976]

If you mention that Andrew Luck is better than RG3 at something, you are a racist biased against black quarterbacks! DO NOT talk about Luck's longer broad jump at 20 pounds heavier or Lucks much higher wonderlick score. Shhhhh!!! Also, do not mention that luck is bigger and stronger. Remember, in this draft, there are really two first picks, Luck and RG3. Don't be a racist. Thanks. :)