[SkiBum80]

Season opening games today
Assist/TO’s
MBB 15/12
WBB 8/30
This happened a lot all last year
Same movie just being replayed
I half joked last year Coach P oughta go to some practices to see what Coach S doing right.
What’s that definition of just doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome?

[SkiBum80]

Season opening games today
Assist/TO’s
MBB 15/12
WBB 8/30
This happened a lot all last year
Same movie just being replayed
I half joked last year Coach P oughta go to some practices to see what Coach S doing right.
What’s that definition of just doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome?

[Sam Leopold]

How the mighty have fallen. I tuned in, but it couldn't keep my attention. It wasn't just that the team lost; it was that they were sloppy. I think Arizona's an average team We allowed way too many turnovers. We shouldn't predict a season based on a single game, but if this continues, I'd like to see a change, especially if rumors about team chemistry are true.

There were a whole bunch of posters who would have liked to see a change back in April, and we almost got one, too.

Over a hundred WBB teams in Division I have not yet played their first game and we can already give this season a nickname:  "The Apocalypse of John"

[Sam Leopold]

How the mighty have fallen. I tuned in, but it couldn't keep my attention. It wasn't just that the team lost; it was that they were sloppy. I think Arizona's an average team We allowed way too many turnovers. We shouldn't predict a season based on a single game, but if this continues, I'd like to see a change, especially if rumors about team chemistry are true.

There were a whole bunch of posters who would have liked to see a change back in April, and we almost got one, too.

Over a hundred WBB teams in Division I have not yet played their first game and we can already give this season a nickname:  "The Apocalypse of John"

[BillBradley]

I watched the presser, and it looked to me like KP was very down. I think there are times where she is accepting of the outcome, doesn't take much accountability, for whatever reason, and she's able to put on a nice face and give the press all the platitudes. But in this one, she looked...defeated. We should have beaten Arizona. They are really not very good. It looked to me like she knows it, and on the heels of that terrible performance against UCSB, she might be in for a long night of serious soul searching. It could be a long and miserable year. I sure hope these players can dig deep and figure out a way to get some enjoyment out of this season. 

Also...30 turnovers. 30! That's what you see in high school. I thought 20 TO's against UCSB was horrific, but they found a way to top it and then some.

[BillBradley]

I watched the presser, and it looked to me like KP was very down. I think there are times where she is accepting of the outcome, doesn't take much accountability, for whatever reason, and she's able to put on a nice face and give the press all the platitudes. But in this one, she looked...defeated. We should have beaten Arizona. They are really not very good. It looked to me like she knows it, and on the heels of that terrible performance against UCSB, she might be in for a long night of serious soul searching. It could be a long and miserable year. I sure hope these players can dig deep and figure out a way to get some enjoyment out of this season. 

Also...30 turnovers. 30! That's what you see in high school. I thought 20 TO's against UCSB was horrific, but they found a way to top it and then some.

[martyup]

I hope the AD is searching for a new WBB coach now.  I see no reason why KP should last the entire season if the team keeps performing like they did in the last two games.

[martyup]

I hope the AD is searching for a new WBB coach now.  I see no reason why KP should last the entire season if the team keeps performing like they did in the last two games.

[JohnR34231]

I hope the AD is searching for a new WBB coach now.  I see no reason why KP should last the entire season if the team keeps performing like they did in the last two games.

Well Lindy La Rocque got blown out by U$C last night (although there aren't too many teams that wouldn't).
Maybe she is in the mood for a change.

[JohnR34231]

I hope the AD is searching for a new WBB coach now.  I see no reason why KP should last the entire season if the team keeps performing like they did in the last two games.

Well Lindy La Rocque got blown out by U$C last night (although there aren't too many teams that wouldn't).
Maybe she is in the mood for a change.

[Card10Fan]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

[Card10Fan]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

[crackpot]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

[crackpot]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

[glovsave]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

Karlie.

[glovsave]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

Karlie.

[PalmTree]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

Karlie.

Not that I have anyone in mind myself at this point but I'd be fascinated to know what qualifications or other attributes you're basing that on.

[PalmTree]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

Karlie.

Not that I have anyone in mind myself at this point but I'd be fascinated to know what qualifications or other attributes you're basing that on.

[OCcardinal]

The Good, the Bad & the Ugly (compared to UCSB)

The Good
- Shooting improved dramatically (35% → 48%), despite tougher competition and playing away from home.
- Ijiwoye bounced back offensively (2 → 14 pts); Swain remained productive (23 → 21 pts).
- Sotelo improved her efficiency and cut turnovers from 5 to 2.
- Ezike showed some offensive promise (0 → 8 pts), shooting 4-of-8 against Arizona, although she fouled out
- Umeh also improved (1 → 4 pts) in limited minutes

The Bad
- Eschmeyer's production dropped sharply (13 → 5 pts; 9 → 4 rebounds).
- Tuhy's rebounding fell from 13 to 4, partly due to reduced minutes. The strong defensive ratings from her first two games also disappeared.
- Three-point shooting improved (17% → 25%) but remains a weakness.

The Ugly
- Turnovers exploded from 20 to 30, after already struggling against UCSB.
- Swain, Ijiwoye and de Vries combined for 15 turnovers.
- Just 8 assists against 30 turnovers, down from an already poor 9 assists against 20 turnovers.

Is there any reason for optimism?
- Stanford didn't face its first Power Four opponent until Game 5 in Paye's first season and Game 10 last year. This year, Arizona came in Game 1.
- That accelerated schedule coincided with the biggest roster turnover of Paye's tenure. Stanford returns just 26% of its scoring and 30% of its minutes, compared with 54% and 57% last season. Six of the 11 healthy players are newcomers, and there are no seniors.
- Last year's team also had a 30-turnover game against Tennessee but improved considerably afterward. (Though this Arizona team is no Tennessee.)
- Arizona's aggressive pressure exposed weaknesses early, but Stanford showed better offensive flow in the second half—at least until things unraveled again late.

So my verdict is TBD. There are legitimate reasons to expect improvement, particularly with so many new players learning to play together. But I have to admit, I was pretty discouraged watching that game.

[OCcardinal]

The Good, the Bad & the Ugly (compared to UCSB)

The Good
- Shooting improved dramatically (35% → 48%), despite tougher competition and playing away from home.
- Ijiwoye bounced back offensively (2 → 14 pts); Swain remained productive (23 → 21 pts).
- Sotelo improved her efficiency and cut turnovers from 5 to 2.
- Ezike showed some offensive promise (0 → 8 pts), shooting 4-of-8 against Arizona, although she fouled out
- Umeh also improved (1 → 4 pts) in limited minutes

The Bad
- Eschmeyer's production dropped sharply (13 → 5 pts; 9 → 4 rebounds).
- Tuhy's rebounding fell from 13 to 4, partly due to reduced minutes. The strong defensive ratings from her first two games also disappeared.
- Three-point shooting improved (17% → 25%) but remains a weakness.

The Ugly
- Turnovers exploded from 20 to 30, after already struggling against UCSB.
- Swain, Ijiwoye and de Vries combined for 15 turnovers.
- Just 8 assists against 30 turnovers, down from an already poor 9 assists against 20 turnovers.

Is there any reason for optimism?
- Stanford didn't face its first Power Four opponent until Game 5 in Paye's first season and Game 10 last year. This year, Arizona came in Game 1.
- That accelerated schedule coincided with the biggest roster turnover of Paye's tenure. Stanford returns just 26% of its scoring and 30% of its minutes, compared with 54% and 57% last season. Six of the 11 healthy players are newcomers, and there are no seniors.
- Last year's team also had a 30-turnover game against Tennessee but improved considerably afterward. (Though this Arizona team is no Tennessee.)
- Arizona's aggressive pressure exposed weaknesses early, but Stanford showed better offensive flow in the second half—at least until things unraveled again late.

So my verdict is TBD. There are legitimate reasons to expect improvement, particularly with so many new players learning to play together. But I have to admit, I was pretty discouraged watching that game.

[BillBradley]

The Good, the Bad & the Ugly (compared to UCSB)

The Good
- Shooting improved dramatically (35% → 48%), despite tougher competition and playing away from home.
- Ijiwoye bounced back offensively (2 → 14 pts); Swain remained productive (23 → 21 pts).
- Sotelo improved her efficiency and cut turnovers from 5 to 2.
- Ezike showed some offensive promise (0 → 8 pts), shooting 4-of-8 against Arizona, although she fouled out
- Umeh also improved (1 → 4 pts) in limited minutes

The Bad
- Eschmeyer's production dropped sharply (13 → 5 pts; 9 → 4 rebounds).
- Tuhy's rebounding fell from 13 to 4, partly due to reduced minutes. The strong defensive ratings from her first two games also disappeared.
- Three-point shooting improved (17% → 25%) but remains a weakness.

The Ugly
- Turnovers exploded from 20 to 30, after already struggling against UCSB.
- Swain, Ijiwoye and de Vries combined for 15 turnovers.
- Just 8 assists against 30 turnovers, down from an already poor 9 assists against 20 turnovers.

Is there any reason for optimism?
- Stanford didn't face its first Power Four opponent until Game 5 in Paye's first season and Game 10 last year. This year, Arizona came in Game 1.
- That accelerated schedule coincided with the biggest roster turnover of Paye's tenure. Stanford returns just 26% of its scoring and 30% of its minutes, compared with 54% and 57% last season. Six of the 11 healthy players are newcomers, and there are no seniors.
- Last year's team also had a 30-turnover game against Tennessee but improved considerably afterward. (Though this Arizona team is no Tennessee.)
- Arizona's aggressive pressure exposed weaknesses early, but Stanford showed better offensive flow in the second half—at least until things unraveled again late.

So my verdict is TBD. There are legitimate reasons to expect improvement, particularly with so many new players learning to play together. But I have to admit, I was pretty discouraged watching that game.

I agree with much of what you said, but after starting so poorly, "improvement" should be a given.The question is, can we become competitive and make the tourney? Looking at KP's past 2 seasons, I don't think there's much chance of that.

[BillBradley]

The Good, the Bad & the Ugly (compared to UCSB)

The Good
- Shooting improved dramatically (35% → 48%), despite tougher competition and playing away from home.
- Ijiwoye bounced back offensively (2 → 14 pts); Swain remained productive (23 → 21 pts).
- Sotelo improved her efficiency and cut turnovers from 5 to 2.
- Ezike showed some offensive promise (0 → 8 pts), shooting 4-of-8 against Arizona, although she fouled out
- Umeh also improved (1 → 4 pts) in limited minutes

The Bad
- Eschmeyer's production dropped sharply (13 → 5 pts; 9 → 4 rebounds).
- Tuhy's rebounding fell from 13 to 4, partly due to reduced minutes. The strong defensive ratings from her first two games also disappeared.
- Three-point shooting improved (17% → 25%) but remains a weakness.

The Ugly
- Turnovers exploded from 20 to 30, after already struggling against UCSB.
- Swain, Ijiwoye and de Vries combined for 15 turnovers.
- Just 8 assists against 30 turnovers, down from an already poor 9 assists against 20 turnovers.

Is there any reason for optimism?
- Stanford didn't face its first Power Four opponent until Game 5 in Paye's first season and Game 10 last year. This year, Arizona came in Game 1.
- That accelerated schedule coincided with the biggest roster turnover of Paye's tenure. Stanford returns just 26% of its scoring and 30% of its minutes, compared with 54% and 57% last season. Six of the 11 healthy players are newcomers, and there are no seniors.
- Last year's team also had a 30-turnover game against Tennessee but improved considerably afterward. (Though this Arizona team is no Tennessee.)
- Arizona's aggressive pressure exposed weaknesses early, but Stanford showed better offensive flow in the second half—at least until things unraveled again late.

So my verdict is TBD. There are legitimate reasons to expect improvement, particularly with so many new players learning to play together. But I have to admit, I was pretty discouraged watching that game.

I agree with much of what you said, but after starting so poorly, "improvement" should be a given.The question is, can we become competitive and make the tourney? Looking at KP's past 2 seasons, I don't think there's much chance of that.

[glovsave]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

Karlie.

Not that I have anyone in mind myself at this point but I'd be fascinated to know what qualifications or other attributes you're basing that on.

Tara has, in the past, spoken very highly of Karlie as someone who would make a great coach.   Her experience is limited to coaching at Vanguard University in SoCal.  Her playing experience speaks for itself.   I think she would relate to current players very well.   ~Personal opinion.

[glovsave]

Who do we want the next HC to be? I do think Lindy would be an upgrade. Who else? I wonder what was going through Tara’s head sitting courtside yesterday. Kate was her hand chosen successor. Is she willing to admit she was wrong.

I kept wondering if it every came up with the two former greats next to her--Jayne and Jennifer.

Watching (way too many) other games yesterday, even teams we beat last year were playing a more decent, disciplined version of basketball than what we saw yesterday.

Our players deserve better.

It's one thing when you're playing well and the shots just don't go in. It's entirely another when no one seems to know what they are supposed to be doing.

Karlie.

Not that I have anyone in mind myself at this point but I'd be fascinated to know what qualifications or other attributes you're basing that on.

Tara has, in the past, spoken very highly of Karlie as someone who would make a great coach.   Her experience is limited to coaching at Vanguard University in SoCal.  Her playing experience speaks for itself.   I think she would relate to current players very well.   ~Personal opinion.

[crackpot]

Tara has, in the past, spoken very highly of Karlie as someone who would make a great coach.   Her experience is limited to coaching at Vanguard University in SoCal.  Her playing experience speaks for itself.   I think she would relate to current players very well.   ~Personal opinion.

I don't doubt that. I'd love to see her with more experience. Running a P4 BB program isn't easy.

Lindy might be the obvious choice, but I'm not sure she'd want to give up her hometown gig. 

Do we hire a coach who has proven themselves at other schools? Or try again with someone without H/C experience?

Lynne Roberts is available. But would she be a good fit?

Renee Jimenez has had success at various levels in D1.

If we want to hire a proven Div III coach, Meg Barber has an incredible record at NYU.

[crackpot]

Tara has, in the past, spoken very highly of Karlie as someone who would make a great coach.   Her experience is limited to coaching at Vanguard University in SoCal.  Her playing experience speaks for itself.   I think she would relate to current players very well.   ~Personal opinion.

I don't doubt that. I'd love to see her with more experience. Running a P4 BB program isn't easy.

Lindy might be the obvious choice, but I'm not sure she'd want to give up her hometown gig. 

Do we hire a coach who has proven themselves at other schools? Or try again with someone without H/C experience?

Lynne Roberts is available. But would she be a good fit?

Renee Jimenez has had success at various levels in D1.

If we want to hire a proven Div III coach, Meg Barber has an incredible record at NYU.

[M T]

If Stanford were to seek out a new coach, I can imagine they might approach Nneka.  In addition to the Stanford pedigree, she apparently has shown herself as a leader.  Personally, I hope Nneka has higher goals than coaching or a general manager.

[M T]

If Stanford were to seek out a new coach, I can imagine they might approach Nneka.  In addition to the Stanford pedigree, she apparently has shown herself as a leader.  Personally, I hope Nneka has higher goals than coaching or a general manager.

[jacket3ree]

Not trying to be snarky, but Van DerVeer hand picked the alumna coach everyone wants to dump now after years of potentially going in another direction (it's not like she didn't see her in coaching action), so let's throw out (mostly) alumnae names that Van DerVeer would endorse?  Makes sense to me. Yeah, that's pretty snarky, but wut?

Welcome to the world of your team isn't in the Elite Eight every year Stanfordites!

(Not claiming to be some massive Jacket WBB fan or anything, so I had to look it up. Their best finish was a Sweet Sixteen. Twice. Ever. 2012 and 2021 which is interesting numerically at least. New coach seems OK to me. Tough league though....)

[jacket3ree]

Not trying to be snarky, but Van DerVeer hand picked the alumna coach everyone wants to dump now after years of potentially going in another direction (it's not like she didn't see her in coaching action), so let's throw out (mostly) alumnae names that Van DerVeer would endorse?  Makes sense to me. Yeah, that's pretty snarky, but wut?

Welcome to the world of your team isn't in the Elite Eight every year Stanfordites!

(Not claiming to be some massive Jacket WBB fan or anything, so I had to look it up. Their best finish was a Sweet Sixteen. Twice. Ever. 2012 and 2021 which is interesting numerically at least. New coach seems OK to me. Tough league though....)

[Mudhead]

If Stanford were to seek out a new coach, I can imagine they might approach Nneka.  In addition to the Stanford pedigree, she apparently has shown herself as a leader.  Personally, I hope Nneka has higher goals than coaching or a general manager.

If I made a change , I would do whatever it took to get Charmin Smith. She has built a program, she. A recruit and her players play hard for her.  I personally don’t insist on a Stanford Pedigree but it doesn’t hurt.

[Mudhead]

If Stanford were to seek out a new coach, I can imagine they might approach Nneka.  In addition to the Stanford pedigree, she apparently has shown herself as a leader.  Personally, I hope Nneka has higher goals than coaching or a general manager.

If I made a change , I would do whatever it took to get Charmin Smith. She has built a program, she. A recruit and her players play hard for her.  I personally don’t insist on a Stanford Pedigree but it doesn’t hurt.

[PalmTree]

Not trying to be snarky, but Van DerVeer hand picked the alumna coach everyone wants to dump now after years of potentially going in another direction (it's not like she didn't see her in coaching action), so let's throw out (mostly) alumnae names that Van DerVeer would endorse?  Makes sense to me. Yeah, that's pretty snarky, but wut?

Welcome to the world of your team isn't in the Elite Eight every year Stanfordites!

(Not claiming to be some massive Jacket WBB fan or anything, so I had to look it up. Their best finish was a Sweet Sixteen. Twice. Ever. 2012 and 2021 which is interesting numerically at least. New coach seems OK to me. Tough league though....)

Was thinking the same in re jacket3tree's first point.  I personally would prefer an open search process where a) we think outside the Stanford bubble and b) if (IF!) TDV participates in the selection, her input isn't given more weight than any of the others on the selection committee.  

Are open searches always perfect? No (e.g. FB's selections of Taylor & Harris), but at least it opens things up and allows for 
the possibility of getting some diamond-in-the-rough out there.  We know we're, for better or for worse, in a new era of collegiate athletics so I think we need to cast a wider net - kinda like



When all's said and done, if the last person standing after an open search is a Stanford alum/affilliate, fine - if not, that's fine too.

[PalmTree]

Not trying to be snarky, but Van DerVeer hand picked the alumna coach everyone wants to dump now after years of potentially going in another direction (it's not like she didn't see her in coaching action), so let's throw out (mostly) alumnae names that Van DerVeer would endorse?  Makes sense to me. Yeah, that's pretty snarky, but wut?

Welcome to the world of your team isn't in the Elite Eight every year Stanfordites!

(Not claiming to be some massive Jacket WBB fan or anything, so I had to look it up. Their best finish was a Sweet Sixteen. Twice. Ever. 2012 and 2021 which is interesting numerically at least. New coach seems OK to me. Tough league though....)

Was thinking the same in re jacket3tree's first point.  I personally would prefer an open search process where a) we think outside the Stanford bubble and b) if (IF!) TDV participates in the selection, her input isn't given more weight than any of the others on the selection committee.  

Are open searches always perfect? No (e.g. FB's selections of Taylor & Harris), but at least it opens things up and allows for 
the possibility of getting some diamond-in-the-rough out there.  We know we're, for better or for worse, in a new era of collegiate athletics so I think we need to cast a wider net - kinda like



When all's said and done, if the last person standing after an open search is a Stanford alum/affilliate, fine - if not, that's fine too.